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TomOC
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http://blogs.adobe.com/creativelayer/introducing-the-photoshop-photography-program/ $9.99 / month gets you PS CC and LR 5 and Behance (who cares) and 20gb storage and this is the actual price not just a trial. You need PS CS3 or later to get this offer. I would say for anyone who has an older version of Ps, this is something to do right this minute...for someone who owns PS6 and LR5, maybe so, maybe not, but it's a decent deal in any event. Tom |
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Robert
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Is this an indication that Adobe are gradually adopting a more realistic pricing structure with their new 'cloud' products? Or perhaps just an appetite wetter... |
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jk
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Well I'll buy it when they also provide me with guaranteed 8Mbit ADSL connection in the bundle. I will still store all my data locally. The more I investigate and understand the cloud model and its implications the less I like it. This statement is made in light of the situation where (all or most) governments operate in a manner that allows them to decide which, what and whose data to look at without permission other than their own notion of 'in the interest of national security'. Look at the current and new laws being legislated in USA, UK, Germany, France, Spain, Vietnam and China to name but a few countries. |
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TomOC
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Well, hard to have any interest in their cloud storage anyhow... Between dropbox and icloud, how much cloud does one need ?  |
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Eric
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TomOC wrote:Well, hard to have any interest in their cloud storage anyhow... Between dropbox and icloud, how much cloud does one need ? Far too much cloud here right now. Sun needs to come out again. |
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richw
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jk wrote:Well I'll buy it when they also provide me with guaranteed 8Mbit ADSL connection in the bundle. I will still store all my data locally. I don't use the cloud storage. The application is installed on your local drive, and it checks once a month to make sure that it's still valid. If when the check is due it can't contact the internet it gives you a warning and a grace period (I think 90 days) if at the end of that period it still has not been able to connect the application is disabled. Might be a problem if you did a six month trek into the wilderness, but should be OK for most people. |
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jk
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richw wrote: jk wrote: So the move to CC will not reduce the software piracy issues that Adobe have. While I can see there are some/many positives for Adobe in that the distribution of patches and updates is much simplified I cant see many real benefits for the single license user who just wants the current version of the product for its features and doesnt want extra new stuff. For large corporates, advertising and graphics agencies I can see that there is a real benefit and also from an accounting perspective I think the software can now be moved into the 'capitalised' part of the ledger which provides deferment against taxable profits. |
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Robert
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jk wrote:So the move to CC will not reduce the software piracy issues that Adobe have. Adobe acknowledged that the cloud software will be just as easy to crack as the stand alone at the 'Launch' I think they see it as a way of keeping a current product across the board, maybe not today but say 5 years down the line when the current stand alone software is obsolete due to hardware and OS developments. That should reduce their costs both distribution and update wise. In theory it also means they can respond to hacks and issues more quickly. Hopefully the savings they make might feed back to the user, which it seems it may be by way of increased access to additional software and storage provision in their cloud. |
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richw
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The cynical part of me also wonders if it is a way of scaling back the R&D effort. The new product release every 18 months required significant 'new' features to get folk to buy them, their main competitor was their previous versions. By moving to the ongoing 'CC' version they can just drop in lots of small incremental features, doing enough to stay ahead of any external competitors but no longer needing a big 'Must Buy' feature to compel people to upgrade. Any significant stand alone software comes out they can buy it out and incorporate it into the product. For Plug Ins I think they are quite happy for them to exist and for people to use them as it further ties them in without Adobe needing to do the development. |
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TomOC
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I think that is close, Rich. But I am even more cynical. Adobe sees that they have very little to offer in the way of new features. This is a complement to what they have already done with PS. We really won't possibly see the number of WOW new features going forward...and there definitely is serious competition snapping at their heels. Adobe knows this better than we do. So now is the time to chain is to the product with a subscription...and maybe price it so that we will think itisveryinexpensive to get hooked on a few of the PS stablemates? If they can do that, they will keep you in the PS fold even as the competing products gain ground (either by offering equal quality ((capture one)) or lower cost ((google with Nik )). I personally think they made a huge error by trying to force the monthly fees on us. If it really was a good deal, we wouldn't need to be forced. It's obvious that they are losing tons of good will and many previously happy annual upgrades are not going for the monthly fees - they didn't lower the monthly fee for PS and throw in LR because they were overcome with guilt for being so aggressive. I'm a pretty good example of the type of customer they now risk losing. I never considered switching to another product before they pulled this shenanigan. Now I have purchased and taken the time to learn fairly well how capture one works and with only a few tweaks from phase one, I could easily change to cap one. As the, plugins start working better with other apps, there won't be much tying us to PS exclusively. Adobe should never have let that happen IMNSHO!!! |
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TomOC
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I just received an email from Laura Shoe. I guess adobe made two announcements at photoshop world last week. First one was the lower price for photographers - makes you wonder if this wasn't the price they wanted all along, doesn't it? The second thing actually is very cool. Lightroom mobile! A version of LR for iPad that syncs back to your desktop using that 20gb of storage they give you. This could be a pretty big hit, I would think. Just as I use my iPad for time filling with news and novels while waiting in my car or a doctors office, I could now do a little tweaking of some image files and it would be waiting on my Mac when I get home - way better use of downtime than news repeats ! This seems pretty feasible since pretty much all of the LR data is the text file recipe, not the large image file - especially true with the new preview files. What do you think? |
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Robert
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I agree with that Tom, what I don't agree about is the rationale that you and Rich are applying that it's to allow Adobe to reign in development. What other 'Killer features' are you expecting??? Most of the 'Killer features' we have seen in the last few years are gimmicks, these may be handy, they may save a few seconds here and there, but they are not in my opinion essential 'must have' tools. They have improve stuff here and there, tinkered with the menus and refined features but not much else. How come Eric who must be our most proficient PS user who relies on it to make a living and has Ps6 on his computer, normally uses Ps3, Ps3 is only a slight upgrade on Ps2, I had both, I didn't bother upgrading to Ps3 because I saw no benefit. He is not un-typical from my encounters with many dedicated pro users on the forums. Most upgrades have been driven by system upgrades, particularly on the Apple platform. Keeping up with new camera releases would seem to be the most important function now, but seems to me that cameras are reading a plateau now too. They seem to have reached maximum pixel density, the Hi ISO is pretty good, they even have movie capture, with sound!!! What else can we look forward to in the design of cameras that will actually improve the finished photograph? |
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TomOC
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Robert- I don't think they are cutting back on development...but there is no way to have a huge impact when you already have 500 features...maybe 10 new ones a year...that is a big development effort but a very incremental change. At this point, the product is mature - they are desperately looking at ways to keep you paying more for less. Keeping up with new cameras no longer is a monopoly for adobe. They still are not as good as capture one raw converting for the fuji cameras and they were several months later with support at all for them. Adobe has some major challenges ahead of them. |
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Eric
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In camera editing...that's the way forward. In particular intelligent cloning of bl***y tourists! Visiting a chateau in the Loire today, I was taken by the number of brightly coloured bodies splattering the white stonework. By careful positioning and waiting for a the right moment the bodies in my shots will be relatively easy to clone out back home. But it made me wonder if a touch screen and on board software along the lines of face recognition ....tourist body recognition...might do the job there and then.  |
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TomOC
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Just put out some toxic gas signs when you want to shoot..tourists will flee. I read an article about using a couple of shots (assuming you had your tripod with you) and then using layers to completely get rid of all tourists quite easily. Worth a shot... You could always shoot at 3 am and bring some big lights? |
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Bob Bowen
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Agree with Tom deal not at all bad now if you are on CS3 and old Lightroom. But the whole handling by Adobe has been poor over the last 18 months and aimed at pissing people off. First no more upgrades paths, then opinion forced them to give limited period to upgrade to CS6 from CS3 and above to end of last year. Prices that made no sense for subscription for togs, then another offer getting near to sense and now the current offer. If like me one took the bait and upgraded to CS6 before December 31 thinking that that that upgrade would meet my needs being now retired for a good while. Now using Lightroom more so was tempted to upgrade to LR5 when that came out. So 9 months on and nearly £200 down I can get to where I am for £9 pm and be future proofed. Can I believe Adobe now? It's all about making money it seems to me.  |
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Eric
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TomOC wrote:Just put out some toxic gas signs when you want to shoot..tourists will flee. Thats assuming the b*ggers move between shots. At this time of year there are a lot of old wrinkles (myself included) doing the off peak holidays. It seems many have to rest for ages on every wall or convenient spot. Some were still there when we came out. LOL Before low noise high Iso came along I frequently used multiple exposure on a tripod when doing low light interiors. Layering the shots and varying layer opacity nulled out noise... as it occurs in different places on each shot. Ps anyway....neglected to bring tripod with me on this trip!!!!  |
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TomOC
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Those old buggers are really a drag, aren't they? |
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jk
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Eric wrote: Before low noise high Iso came along I frequently used multiple exposure on a tripod when doing low light interiors.I had never considered doing that. What a good idea. Simple things we miss sometimes. Tut.... No tripod. I need to really force myself to take one. BTW: A tripod is that like a Zimmer frame ?  |
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