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| Posted by rlevy: Sat Apr 14th, 2012 10:07 | 1st Post |
| Greetings all. Nice new website. Glad to see Steve has resurfaced! I have decided to try an iMac. Running Parallels so I can run my PC versions of software that I need. Also did not want to buy a new license for my Adobe software to run on MAC. It appears that Lightroom 4 can read D4 NEFs but ACR in PS5 and Bridge cannot. I have updated ACR to 6.6 and still no luck. Any ideas? Thanks all. RL:negativenod:
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| Posted by jk: Sat Apr 14th, 2012 13:11 | 2nd Post |
| Hi Robert, Glad that you have made it across here. If you contact Adobe Tech Support in USA then you can request them to cross your PC licenses to Mac. You sign a form fax it back, then download the trial versions from their webite. Theybthen send you fresh keys and revoke your old keys. Hey presto you are fully Mac softwared without any PC limitations. That said Parallels is pretty good. I did the conversion in 2007 never regretted it. Wait until you get a Macbook Pro or Air. Both awesome. Your daughters will love it, both my girls saw mine then got one each with their own money!
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| Posted by rlevy: Sat Apr 14th, 2012 13:34 | 3rd Post |
| Hi Jonathan. I did not want to transfer my license as I use PC as well as MAC and they will only transfer the license for one operating system so you cannot run both. I use a Macbook Air with Parallels as well. I like the weight, not so much the battery life. Wondering why ACR in CS5 does not work for D4 but it does in LR4??? Just got back from Northern Norway last night. Beautiful place! All the best. RL
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| Posted by jk: Sat Apr 14th, 2012 13:47 | 4th Post |
| I'll take a look at my CS5 and see if it will see the D800 NEFs that I have. The same version of ACR supports D4 and D800.
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| Posted by jk: Sat Apr 14th, 2012 14:05 | 5th Post |
| Robert, I have the ACR 6.7.x beta loaded and it works with D800 NEFs. So it will work with D4 I would guess. If you send me a D4 NEF using YouSendIt.com then I can check. If you go to YouSendIt.com and then send it to me at jmknights@roundtownnetwork.com I should be able to download it no problem.
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| Posted by rlevy: Sat Apr 14th, 2012 15:09 | 6th Post |
| Where did you get the 6.7 beta?
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| Posted by jk: Sat Apr 14th, 2012 17:12 | 7th Post |
| Adobe download from the download area. http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/cameraraw6-7.html
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| Posted by Ed Matusik: Sat Apr 14th, 2012 18:05 | 8th Post |
| Don't mean to intrude here, but couldn't you convert the NEF's to DNG's using Lightroom 4, then open them in PS5? Just a temporary work-around.- EdM.
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| Posted by richw: Sat Apr 14th, 2012 20:30 | 9th Post |
Ed Matusik wrote:Don't mean to intrude here, but couldn't you convert the NEF's to DNG's using Lightroom 4, then open them in PS5? Just a temporary work-around.- EdM. You can indeed, go from Lightroom to Edit in Photoshop and then use render using Lightroom when the warning pops up, but I understand Robert's feelings I like to have everything up to date also. I am glad there is a beta version of the ACR out there, they might be holding back because it has changed significantly, the way the basic development sliders work has changed more in this release than at any other point since ACR came out. I was worried they might hold it back for CS6, but I guess as the D800 and D4 are out quite a while before that official release they would risk disenfranchising a lot of existing customers if they did that.
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| Posted by rlevy: Sat Apr 14th, 2012 22:16 | 10th Post |
| Thanks Guys. Don't particularly like a work around. I expect full functionality without the hassle. Expensive software that I recommend to others who look to me for advise, that does not work???? Not sure that I understand why LR works and ACR does not. RL
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| Posted by richw: Sun Apr 15th, 2012 01:55 | 11th Post |
| LR is just further ahead in the development curve. ACR will catch up, and to be fair to Adobe they are generally ahead of the game compared with other 3rd party developers.
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| Posted by jk: Sun Apr 15th, 2012 07:40 | 12th Post |
Ed Matusik wrote: Don't mean to intrude here, but couldn't you convert the NEF's to DNG's using Lightroom 4, then open them in PS5? Just a temporary work-around.- EdM.Ed dont get me wrong when I state the case below. DNG has uses but only as you say a temporary stop gap not as an alternative to keeping RAW files. DNG is a horrible hook, no wonder Adobe gives it away free. They market it as a one size fits all concept and the fact that it is free. But a DNG is really just a RAW file converter that makes a DNG (just like ACR can make another format from a RAW image). A DNG is actually a type of TIFF, called a DNG. The concept of something for nothing is there. We all know in this life there are no free lunches. The Case for DNG. 1. If you have a DNG then you can use Adobe DNG processor to produce a JPG or TIFF. 2. The same DNG processing software is used for all DNGs. 3. DNGs are smaller than RAW so are easier to store. The Case against DNG. 1. The making of a DNG requires each RAW file format to be a known entity so it is as complex to make a good RAW==>DNG converter as making a RAW file converter. 2. Adobe say the process is lossless. If it is lossless what are they throwing away to make the file smaller ? Dont trust them to make these decisions about your images. Basic principles apply, you cant make something smaller without losing something. (JPG is lossless if you dont count the stuff you lose in compressing it). 3. If the DNG converter doesnt know about your RAW file it cant make a DNG. The DNG processor is used to make a TIFF or JPG only. You still edit in other software. 4. If it is so good then why are they giving it away ?  Cant believe that Adobe are now a not-for-profit organisation.5. If you throw away the gold standard (e.g. RAW file) then you just have paper promissory notes (like now!!) (e.g. DNG file) and look at the economic mess we are in because not all bankers are trustworthy. 6. The current DNG processor runs on Intel technology. It we suddenly move to HiLo processors (a fictional name) then there is no guarantee that the old DNG executable will run or that Adobe will recreate the DNG processor to support all the legacy cameras and their DNG formats in the new version that runs on these new processors. I think that there is a case for stop gap measures but I'd really be extremely reluctant to not try and stop someone converting their RAW files to DNG and throwing away the RAW files. And Yes I have heard people of doing this as they sincerely believed the Adobe DNG speak!
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| Posted by Ed Matusik: Sun Apr 15th, 2012 18:16 | 13th Post |
| I don't use it either JK, but in a pinch situation it is a fall-back alternative. If I had a D4, took a series of shots that I needed to process for a client (which I also don't have) and couldn't get PSCS 5 to decode the NEF's, but could do it in LR4, I'd strive to get the job done first, then worry about an ACR update later. Of course I would keep the raw NEF's on my CF cards, or whatever, or transfer them to a hard drive with a simple program like 'Nikon Transfer.' I honestly didn't mean to start a discussion over the merits of NEF vs DNG, which I believe has been argued at lenght in the old forum. - EdM P.S., If PSCS 6 is released prior to the ACR update, those of us with PSCS 5 may still not get ACR for either the D4 or a new D400, if Adobe does what it did in the past and stop updates for its older versions.
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| Posted by jk: Sun Apr 15th, 2012 18:36 | 14th Post |
| I certainly hope that Adobe release ACR 6.7 soon as I dont want to have to rely on upgrading to CS6 to get something to process D800 NEFs In fact I wouldnt anyway as I have D4 and D800 support in AfterShot Pro.
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| Posted by richw: Sun Apr 15th, 2012 19:51 | 15th Post |
| You don't need to convert the image to DNG in Lightroom to use it's ACR engine on a Nef. Just select the image and right or control click and choose edit in Photoshop. It will then tell you that the photoshop ACR is an older version and give you the option to render in Lightroom. As I alway browse my photos in Lightroom and then open into Photoshop from here for me this is no extra work at all, and you don't need to go near DNG to do it.
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| Posted by jk: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 03:53 | 16th Post |
| Havent done that Rich. Looks like I need to test that out. Might be good to do a mini-tutorial and post it into the subforum that is still empty waiting for these sorts of items. 
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| Posted by richw: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 07:33 | 17th Post |
| Will do, I'm off work still as contagious, so I'll give it a go tomorrow. Downloaded CS6 as well, so I'll do a quick write up on that.
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| Posted by Ed Matusik: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 08:58 | 18th Post |
richw wrote: Will do, I'm off work still as contagious, so I'll give it a go tomorrow. Downloaded CS6 as well, so I'll do a quick write up on that. Take it easy Rich. And please let me know if CS6 is written for 64 bit OS systems primarily. I might have to upgrade my computer system. - EdM
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| Posted by Doug: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 11:35 | 19th Post |
richw wrote:You don't need to convert the image to DNG in Lightroom to use it's ACR engine on a Nef. Just select the image and right or control click and choose edit in Photoshop. It will then tell you that the photoshop ACR is an older version and give you the option to render in Lightroom. Good point. If you have Lightroom (and use it fully to import and do the basic editing) I don't know why you'd ever bother to pass through ACR on the way to photoshop since you can't save a raw after you reach photoshop anyway Btw. Lightroom rather nicely allows you to roundtrip any images that you open and save in photoshop (or other software)
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| Posted by jk: Mon Apr 16th, 2012 12:26 | 20th Post |
Doug wrote: richw wrote: Just you wait until Adobe realise this and that it is reducing the need for people to upgrade Photoshop to get the latest ACR support
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| Posted by jk: Wed May 2nd, 2012 17:39 | 21st Post |
| Today Adobe released the updated/final version of ACR6.7 http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/05/02/Adobe-releases-ACR-6-7 This version has the full support for D4, D800 and D800E, plus a whole sheaf of other cameras apart from the Fuji XPro1 that I would like to see but I guess that will come next.
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| Posted by TomOC: Thu May 3rd, 2012 12:18 | 22nd Post |
| Maybe I've been missing something that you guys have solved with LR. I love the way Bridge works as an image viewer - you just view the image rather than importing it into a catalog (like iPhoto and Aperture also). That is all I want to do in the "view" stage. Is there some way to use LR and NOT create all the large messy catalogs? I did a run of the catalog file sizes and if i were to import all of my files, it wouldn't fit on my macbook 256gb SSD, so I gave the app away. How to you cope with these big catalogs? Thanks, Tom
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| Posted by Robert: Thu May 3rd, 2012 12:35 | 23rd Post |
| Hi Tom, I have all my images in Lr3 I don't allow Lr to ingest them, there is an option during the import which gives you the option to leave the files where they are in their folders or to ingest them into the Lr database as Aperture and iPhoto do which I hate. It's close to impossible to find and access the actual files once they have been gobbled up into the database. You can create more than one catalogue, my botanical images are separated from my general photography and have their own catalogue. What Lr does (for me) is to create a catalogue of images at standard resolution, this allows me to wiz through my images as fast as the disk drive can access them. That is very handy if I am searching visually but the key-wording and metadata searches are top notch, I can find most things PDQ. As Rich mentioned this morning I am starting to use Lr for basic adjustments, only turning to Photoshop for the more demanding edits where layers and cloning are needed and combining images. What I find a nuisance is having to 'export' the processed images through an overly complex set of controls rather than a simple 'Save As' from Photoshop, that is the biggest obstacle to my using Lr for my day to day adjustments, it's more work to export them than it is to make the adjustments. I have only about 35,000 (114Gb) images in my general catalogue. The current catalogue file is 145Mb and the previews are 7.4Gb. A screenshot of my Lightroom Catalogue directory... Attachment: Lr Catalogue.jpg (Downloaded 6 times)
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| Posted by TomOC: Thu May 3rd, 2012 12:50 | 24th Post |
| Robert- Another thing you might try is just transferring the dmg file over your network. When I download an app on one machine, I install it and then move it to DropBox and use that to install on the other machines in the house (you can get a 2gb free dropbox account or 5gb free on the new Amazon Cloud to handle this). Once installed, I delete the other from dropbox to save the space. Tom
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| Posted by Robert: Thu May 3rd, 2012 12:59 | 25th Post |
| I have all my general images on an external G-Tech RAID FW800 drive on my Mac mini i7, with my current setup I can access those images from any computer in the house, OR even over the 'net from anywhere. Of course, I also back them up! That way I am always working from the master set. I would and did get awful confused when I had images scattered across various computers. The key thing is not to allow Lr to ingest the image files.
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| Posted by jk: Thu May 3rd, 2012 16:13 | 26th Post |
| Robert, you can map a drive on one computer onto another computer. You can also log onto one machine from another as long as you have knowledge of account details on the other machine.
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| Posted by Robert: Thu May 3rd, 2012 17:47 | 27th Post |
| I use several of the computers as servers, even the boys, (7 and 11) have it sussed! They have a HD on one computer and watch their videos and play games at the same time from the one HD... I must admit I haven't tried mounting another computer from my own although I know it CAN be done! I have enough to keep me busy as it is. What amazes me is the ease with which I can access the computers here when I am away. Unless of course the router has gone off-line, which it does regularly. I plan to put the router on a time switch which turns it off for ten minutes every day at about 4am, that way if it does go off-line it get's re-set every day. I tend not to access the internet at 4am!
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