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| Posted by Hawkeye: Sun Sep 16th, 2012 06:54 | 1st Post |
| Can you point me to a helpful (and simple) explanation of 'Optimising PS CS6 and Bridge CS6 Preferences' - tried unsuccesfully on Google! After problems with CS6 64-bit I have reverted to 32-bit, for me it is working much better - although I am aware that I haven't got access to unlimited RAM now - but I am having problems with Bridge - occasionally crashing with comments about not enough ram or '100% loop not available' on some images - possibly something to do with cache arrangement - hence I would like to check that the Preferences are optimised. The D800 NEF files are around 40GB. Attached is a shot of the Grace Spitfire at Seething Airshow last week. Attachment: for web (Large).jpg (Downloaded 59 times)
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| Posted by jk: Sun Sep 16th, 2012 11:29 | 2nd Post |
| Never knew that they built a two seater version but its clear to see with this sharp image. Nice shot Ken. I give Photoshop 80% RAM , 100 steps backwards history, rest is all standard.
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| Posted by Hawkeye: Sun Sep 16th, 2012 12:06 | 3rd Post |
| Thanks JK - I've shoved the RAM up from 60 to 80% - but as my problems are with Bridge, does this have any effect on Bridge. Would it be any use if I allocated a new external hard drive to cache in Bridge. You will know that I cannot really get my ancient head around all this so I do need some simple guidance from those that do understand such technicalities! Thanks for the comment re the Spitfire - almost certainly the only 2 seat Spitfire - converted from a single seater in 1951 to be used as a trainer - now owned and piloted by Carolyn Grace.
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| Posted by Ed Matusik: Sun Sep 16th, 2012 14:12 | 4th Post |
| Ken, I've gotten similar messages using my HP 4G RAM computers. I don't want to sound like I'm bragging, but I'm using a 24G Ram machine now with an Intel IE7 processor and I have no problems. - EdM
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| Posted by Ed Matusik: Sun Sep 16th, 2012 14:14 | 5th Post |
jk wrote: Never knew that they built a two seater version but its clear to see with this sharp image.The 2-seater was a modification developed to give rides to people who wanted just to ride or to learn how to fly these magnificent aircraft. Wish I was young enough to try. - EdM.
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| Posted by Robert: Sun Sep 16th, 2012 16:43 | 6th Post |
| Hi Ken, great image of the Spitfire. You shouldn't have to Optimise Ps or Br settings to get them to work reliably. You might want to optimise them to get the last ounce of performance from them. I suspect something in your hardware or OS isn't 100% 64bit clean. We had these issues going from 16 to 32 bit. Until you have a proven 100% 64bit clean system, it will cause grief. I don't think it's just down to RAM, Ps and Bridge will swap out virtual ram by the wagon load all on their own. A large, fast, dedicated HD for a scratch disk is a good idea, NOT the HD with the OS on it or that might even slow things down. Say a WD Black 250Gb would make a good scratch drive. If you plan to use an external it needs to be Firewire or eSATA. With a PC it's so easy to slip another internal drive in connected to the SATA bus. If you use USB for a scratch drive that could make things worse, it's so slow. My figures for external drives: USB drive Write 38MB/Sec - Read 39Mb/Sec. FW drive Write 64MB/Sec - Read 78Mb/Sec. FW RAID Write 64MB/Sec - Read 82Mb/Sec. (May vary depending on file type.) I suspect the RAID is limited by the FW Interface. Probably best to keep plodding away with 32 Bit until you are ready to upgrade the box, by then they may be cleaner and more reliable. I don't believe you need 24Gb for images, my i7 with 8 gig is unstoppable. Even my little dual processor with 4Gb ram allowed me to open 1,750 D200 NEF's all at once, with ACR, the performance was not any slower than it would be for 10 NEF images. It did take a while to save all the JPEG's though... Maybe video would benefit from more RAM because it's dynamic.
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| Posted by jk: Sun Sep 16th, 2012 18:00 | 7th Post |
| Ken, If I remember corrctly you ar running Windows on an iMac. Are you running Windows7 64bit? Use System Manager to find out. It should list which mode 32/64 it is running in.
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| Posted by TomOC: Sun Sep 16th, 2012 19:23 | 8th Post |
| Ken- Very nice shot!!! I don't' see any settings for specific ram to dedicate to bridge in cs6 (don't remember what it was like in earlier versions). I have the photoshop setting to use up to 70% of ram in my macbook pro (not home, but think it's the same on the imac) and I have no issues. Tom
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| Posted by Hawkeye: Mon Sep 17th, 2012 06:26 | 9th Post |
Ed Matusik wrote: Ken, I've gotten similar messages using my HP 4G RAM computers. I don't want to sound like I'm bragging, but I'm using a 24G Ram machine now with an Intel IE7 processor and I have no problems. - EdMI'm using an HP with 8GB Ram with Intel I7 Dual Core - and having problems!! I expect it is something I have done, or not done!
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| Posted by Hawkeye: Mon Sep 17th, 2012 06:29 | 10th Post |
jk wrote: Ken, If I remember corrctly you ar running Windows on an iMac. Jonathan, Got rid of the iMac about a year ago - after a lifetime with Windows I just couldn't get my head around it - we discussed it at the time I recall, and you bemoaned the fact that you weren't nearby to give me a course! So, I am back with Win 7 32-bit.
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| Posted by Hawkeye: Mon Sep 17th, 2012 06:58 | 11th Post |
| 'A large, fast, dedicated HD for a scratch disk is a good idea, NOT the HD with the OS on it or that might even slow things down. Say a WD Black 250Gb would make a good scratch drive. If you plan to use an external it needs to be Firewire or eSATA. With a PC it's so easy to slip another internal drive in connected to the SATA bus. If you use USB for a scratch drive that could make things worse, it's so slow.' Thanks for the info Robert - I hear what you are saying ref the Settings - I've been mucking about with them a bit and I'd like to put them back to defaults but cannot see any obvious way to do this except uninstall and reinstall PS - ? I do have a new 'My Book Essential WDBAAF0020HBK - Hard drive - 2 TB - external - Hi-Speed USB' - could this be suitable to allocate to Scratch? 'I suspect something in your hardware or OS isn't 100% 64bit clean' I've recently (last week) unistalled Win7 64-bit and installed 32-bit (had it done professionally!) So perhaps you are right, but not much I can do about this. 　 　
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| Posted by jk: Mon Sep 17th, 2012 14:21 | 12th Post |
Hawkeye wrote: 'A large, fast, dedicated HD for a scratch disk is a good idea, NOT the HD with the OS on it or that might even slow things down. Say a WD Black 250Gb would make a good scratch drive. If you plan to use an external it needs to be Firewire or eSATA. With a PC it's so easy to slip another internal drive in connected to the SATA bus. If you use USB for a scratch drive that could make things worse, it's so slow.' That disk should be OK as a scratch disk. Fastest possible connection is good so an internal secondary disk connected to SATA channel is better than external USB connected one. Now you are back on Win7 32bit there may be some compromises with add-in software from people like OnOne and NikSoftware.
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| Posted by Robert: Tue Sep 18th, 2012 04:14 | 13th Post |
| Sorry Ken, been a bit preoccupied with other stuff last few days. Are we discussing PC hardware or Apple Mac hardware? If you are running Apple hardware with PC emulation software, like for example VM ware Fusion 4, then that would explain a lot. Mac's will run MS Windows, and quite well BUT for heavyweight stuff like Photoshop you need to run native software and the latest best sorted OS available for reliability and best experience. Photoshop runs perfectly on my Mac mini's and on my friends iMac, straight out of the box. Emulation software is best kept for specialist utilities which are only available for windows. Once we know what hardware you are using will be better able to advise meaningfully. As for resetting Ps to defaults, here is a screenshot of my Prefs window which is default. I have now changed the scratch drive to the bottom 500Gb drive which is actually empty. But the pref's panel is from a new, clean install of PS and has never been touched, in fact it's the first time I have opened it! LOL Attachment: Ps Pref's.jpg (Downloaded 35 times)
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| Posted by Hawkeye: Tue Sep 18th, 2012 05:32 | 14th Post |
| Thanks for the info Robert - I have been back to a PC with Win 7 32-bit for the past year. My prefs are much like yours - see the attachment - also the attchment for Bridge Prefs/Cache. Later today I plan to install an external HD for the Cache (is yours an external or internal?) to see if that improves the situation in Bridge - but I am also getting 'out of memory' messages in CS6, I need to address that problem. I do know that there was stacks more RAM in 64-bit but I was having problems with 64-bit so changed over to 32-bit - maybe not the best move! Attachment: Pref dialog.jpg (Downloaded 35 times)
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| Posted by Hawkeye: Tue Sep 18th, 2012 05:34 | 15th Post |
| Can't seem to attach more than one attachment, so here is the Bridge Prefs/Cache!! Attachment: Bridge prefs.jpg (Downloaded 36 times)
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| Posted by jk: Tue Sep 18th, 2012 08:24 | 16th Post |
| Keeping 100% Previews in Cache may be hogging memory. I'd try with that option switched off. I use other programs for finding/viewing images before editing.
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| Posted by Hawkeye: Tue Sep 18th, 2012 11:55 | 17th Post |
jk wrote: Keeping 100% Previews in Cache may be hogging memory. I'd try with that option switched off. Tried that JK - no difference! Just to remind folks - in CS6/Bridge after checking a few NEF images with the loop it says '100% not available' also up comes the message 'Bridge is low on memory', a temporary cure is to purge the cache and restart - but again after checking a few NEF images the problem returns. I'll see if it makes any difference when I check a panel of jpegs. And in Photoshop itself after a short time I get the message not enough RAM. I'm seriously thinking of taking up fishing!
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| Posted by Hawkeye: Tue Sep 18th, 2012 12:12 | 18th Post |
| OK - just tried looking at a load of jpegs and everything is fine, couldn't get the problem to reappear - so it seems to only happen with NEF files - SO, no more raw images? In the meantime below is an image of the Tornado steam loco at Sherringham - NEF ! Attachment: Norton web.jpg (Downloaded 30 times)
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| Posted by richw: Wed Sep 19th, 2012 07:39 | 19th Post |
| Very nice photo. I used to get something similar in XP, I used to have to restart photoshop every third image or so. Never did fix it, bought my Mac Book and not looked back.
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| Posted by jk: Wed Sep 19th, 2012 09:15 | 20th Post |
| It is a Windoze 32bit problem I think. I have heard this several times before with users of 32bit XP, Vista and Win7
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| Posted by Hawkeye: Wed Sep 19th, 2012 11:54 | 21st Post |
| Hmmm! Looks as if I'd better stick to jpegs for the time being, thus bringing this discussion to an end! Perhaps I might try 64-bit again (Win 7)
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| Posted by Ralph G Speer: Sun Sep 23rd, 2012 22:15 | 22nd Post |
| Hey Ken, Try taking the check mark out of the "use graphics processor" box in the performance page in Photoshop. Ralph
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| Posted by Ed Matusik: Mon Sep 24th, 2012 12:34 | 23rd Post |
| I don't think PS recommends that you use your OS drive as a scratch disk. Have you another drive on your system you can use?
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