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| Posted by Eric: Mon Nov 11th, 2013 08:10 | 1st Post |
| This is an interesting read. It seems WE are dinasours and a similar fate awaits us. Off to sell my equipment http://visualsciencelab.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/the-graying-of-traditional-photography.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+TheVisualScienceLab/KirkTuck+%28The+Visual+Science+Lab+/+Kirk+Tuck%29
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| Posted by blackfox: Mon Nov 11th, 2013 10:08 | 2nd Post |
| funnily enough i agree with those sentiments 100% ,having just gone through the change for change sakes trauma i wonder if its all really been worth it .would i in fact have been happier staying with my old d300s and lens combo despite its poor low light ability . i don't really feel that i have moved on at all just run round like a headless chicken ,i now have as a main camera a canon 7d its fine its a good camera but if i,m honest the older 1dmkii that i sold to fund it was in most respects a superior camera .as he says in that article do we need the resolving power of the mega pixel beasts ,the resounding answer is NO if your just posting to the web i think a 12mp limit or even less is far better .the only real difference that technology can and would make sense to me is with higher USEABLE iso values without the associated noise . at the end of the day a camera is just a tool and a workman's only as good as his tools . 
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| Posted by Eric: Mon Nov 11th, 2013 10:44 | 3rd Post |
blackfox wrote: funnily enough i agree with those sentiments 100% ,having just gone through the change for change sakes trauma i wonder if its all really been worth it .would i in fact have been happier staying with my old d300s and lens combo despite its poor low light ability .I think there will always be specialist needs. In your case, wildlife requires long reach glass... which I suspect will never be matched by digital zooms on an iphone! Using the Fuji XE has started to make me seriously wonder what my next equipment step would be. I can envisage a DX body with my two prime telephotos (500 and 300) being retained for long reach shooting. As long as I am working, the D3 body and lens deliver sufficient quality but also 'look' the part. Cant imagine my clients warming to me using an iphone (like they have) and charging pro rates!! Even though they pay for expertise...it wouldnt hold much credibility. But in the near future, when I am no longer shooting for a living, I can seriously see me selling the D3 and all my pro lenses! Fuji XE from car window..... Attachment: coverdale.jpg (Downloaded 68 times)
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| Posted by amazing50: Mon Nov 11th, 2013 11:12 | 4th Post |
| It's an interesting article, but I'm not about to sell off yet. Granted there is a shift from lower priced cameras to cell phone units and Nikon etc. seems to have missed out somewhat. Even accepting that people driving the market are predominately over 50 years old and at least 90% of them are men, this is a large demographic that will remain for quite some time, and they have lots of money to spend.
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| Posted by Eric: Mon Nov 11th, 2013 11:42 | 5th Post |
I did actually get out of the car to take this one and used two hands! Attachment: coverdale2.jpg (Downloaded 65 times)
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| Posted by Eric: Mon Nov 11th, 2013 11:48 | 6th Post |
amazing50 wrote: It's an interesting article, but I'm not about to sell off yet. Granted there is a shift from lower priced cameras to cell phone units and Nikon etc. seems to have missed out somewhat. Even accepting that people driving the market are predominately over 50 years old and at least 90% of them are men, this is a large demographic that will remain for quite some time, and they have lots of money to spend.I hear what you are saying. I am not about to abandon a camera for an ipad. But changing from a Nikon big beast to a smaller, lighter, cheaper camera option with no quality loss, is a strong temptation. I suppose what I am seeing is that the demise of the DSLR is a function of the combined effects of continued development of better and better sensors and the diminishing need out there, for big printed images.
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| Posted by jk: Mon Nov 11th, 2013 12:16 | 7th Post |
| Take a read of this in the Fuji forum about the new organic sensors. http://www.fujix-forum.com/index.php/topic/14830-just-what-is-this-new-organic-sensor-thing/
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| Posted by Robert: Mon Nov 11th, 2013 12:49 | 8th Post |
| Any chance of summarising it JK? My head started to hurt after the first page...  Does it mean the end of the small sensor or a boost to it's usability?
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| Posted by Eric: Mon Nov 11th, 2013 14:49 | 9th Post |
Robert wrote:Any chance of summarising it JK? I read it as a boost in the performance of the smaller sensor to levels we might ALL find acceptable....thus obviating the need for FF....for most if us. But of course it may lift the FF to larger format quality as well. Just wonder at what point Fuji may offer an eye upgrade service....so we can all appreciate the extra detail?
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| Posted by jk: Mon Nov 11th, 2013 18:37 | 10th Post |
| Summary. The big fuss about FX v DX will eventually be subsumed by the arrival of new organic sensors that provide the same or better quality than FX but in a DX wrt noise and dynamic range. Indeed it may be that we are looking towards a point in the future where DX (APS-C) and 4/3 become the FX and DX of the present time. Hope that makes sense. So in not too distant future (3-5 years) we can expect smaller and lighter cameras with smaller sensor sizes that outperform the current crop of FX based cameras.
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| Posted by TomOC: Mon Nov 11th, 2013 18:50 | 11th Post |
| Digital, especially smartphone digital, has made photography a part of almost everyone's life. Digital SLRs opened the floodgates of "high quality" photography to everyone...but few actually took great photos, and most of those folks trickled back to smartphones once they were able to produce outstanding 4x6 prints of web photos of almost any size. That is a whole segment that has dwarfed "real" photography by magnitudes (I've seen it stated that more photos will be shot on smartphones next year than have been taken on all cameras an phones combined). Just flip through a few Instagram categories and you will see some of the worst and best photos imaginable - imagination reigns! None of this is to say that there will not remain a viable market for people who want the highest possible quality...as always understanding compromises between convenience price will be the drivers that place you in a category. Even today, no one on the planet would argue that a well exposed and process image from a D800 can equal one equally well processed and exposed with an 8x10 view camera, but none of us drags an 8x10 monster on our vacations or even regularly into a studio. I love change...but don't always take advantage of it. I'm still madly in love with the Fuji X series, but haven't seriously even considered a GoPro. I've owned 3 different video cameras...took about 30minutes of video with each one and sold them on ebay after a year or so of sitting on the shelf. I still have a shelf full of Nikon glass that probably should go as well, long replaced by newer versions but for some strange reason, I like seeing them sit there (note to self...get over it). Much as I love the Fuji's, there are still times that the Nikons are the only thing I consider using - really long shots, fast moving subjects (dogs, birds), or times when they are already set up and there is no "carry" price or inconvenience. In many situations, the fuji is producing images every bit as "good" as the nikons would/could and that makes me happy (because they fit in my jacket POCKET not a camera backpack) !!! So, though I haven't moved too far on the current evolutionary scale, I'm happy with the way it's all going. We will all benefit. As with many Apple products, you buy the new one because you have GAS and then you say, Geeze was this really worth it...should I have upgraded? No, possibly not, but you can't even imagine going BACK to the older model  That's where I am...
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| Posted by jk: Tue Nov 12th, 2013 04:58 | 12th Post |
| Well if the organic sensor yields a quality image that is low noise at high ISO from 4/3 sized sensor then I will be very happy to release my long glass Nikon AFS lenses 400mm f2.8, 300mm f2.8, 70-200mm f2.8, 80-200mm f2.8 but I would keep everything from 105mm to 14mm for use on my FX/DX cameras. On a 4/3 sensor with its x2 magnification then a 70-300mm lens will yield very good reach in a very neat package which fixed on an OM-D-E-M1 like camera with 24MP will make for a very handy unit.
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| Posted by Eric: Tue Nov 12th, 2013 09:42 | 13th Post |
| There is widespread interest in lighter weight equipment. Not sure if we are getting weaker, lazier or as the article I posted suggests ..DSLR users are an ageing group of wouldbe diehards.. Historically better equipment meant weight, bulk, expense. We each pitched our stake according to what we were able or prepared to afford. Weight didn't matter back when our hair had colour! But digital advances have moved the goalposts such that we can now afford commensurately higher quality equipment and increasingly, at more acceptable weight. The problem is that there still isn't a perfect blend of ergonomics, weight, price at the best IQ....the holy grail of photgraphy. When someone comes up with it, there will be a shed load of takers....and DSLR deserters! I am not sure having super sensors that give 3x better results than current will be significant...unless the method of viewing demands it. I rarely print photos these days. Primarily because I don't have places to display them....there aren't that many places around to display them...but more honestly the desire or need to display them is diminished. Most photos these days are personal images, which can be shown to relatives (who have any interest) on an iPad. For me, the IQ is acceptable in most bodies these days. The issues with lighter bodies that need addressing are ...ergonomics and performance.
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| Posted by richw: Tue Nov 12th, 2013 18:37 | 14th Post |
| I've just joined Google+ and had a browse around. There is one photographer on there from Melbourne (where I live) who has some amazing work. The two cameras he seems to be using are a Canon 6D and Sony NEX-7, both much smaller than our FX bodies (especially the Sony), because of being able to carry a camera all the time he is getting some fantastic shots on the commute home. This for me is where small and light wins out, I love my D3s and sometimes I wouldn't trade it for anything - for example the boxing shots I took recently. But most of the time when I am out it stays at home. Check his work out, some amazing night time photography and great HDR work. https://plus.google.com/+StevenWrightAU/posts If you click on an image it'll come up in a gallery format you can browse full size images.
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| Posted by MaxSouthOz: Tue Nov 12th, 2013 18:43 | 15th Post |
Scary! Same name as my son. Much better photographer.  Beautiful rich colours. 
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| Posted by jk: Tue Nov 12th, 2013 18:48 | 16th Post |
| It is all about having the camera with you at all times! If you dont have the camera then you will definitely not capture the shot.
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| Posted by novicius: Mon Nov 18th, 2013 18:15 | 17th Post |
| Quality is 1 thing , Responsiveness is another , sure ,technique has come a long way . In the days of the old masters a great deal of skill was needed to portray a person / landscape , then came the photo and likeness was a matter of course ,from collodium "we " evolved to better/easier/safer darkroom techniques ,then came op-art , cubism , Salvador Dali , and painting was "in" again , the transistor amp. pushed the valve amp. away , now we have transistor for every-one and the valve for connoisseurs.Then came Digital, no-more long hours in a darkened room , no-more guilty feelings about environmental pollution , no-more , "is that the correct color rendition " while peering through Kodak wratten filters. My daughter uses her i-phone for everything , phone calls/photo/music/TV/internet/alarmclock , so will that erase the comp. ?... clocks/watches ?..TV ?..I `m convinced that all those things will continue to co_exist for a long time , the "phone" for everything so-so , and our goodies for " seizing the moment in utmost quality " for all those improvements WILL benefit us Dino`s. 
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