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Robert
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http://www.europe-nikon.com/en_GB/product/digital-cameras/slr/consumer |
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Robert
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http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikon-df |
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jk
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Not for me. Like the dials and knobs instead of menus. Dont like the price but that will only drop. No electronic remote shutter release (As far as I can tell). No split image viewfinder screen so I can use my old MF lenses properly. Otherwise it is a Nikon so that is OK. |
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Robert
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Agree on the price but I think that was to be expected with a body sporting a D4 sensor. There is a remote but I think it's the USB one from the D3100. There are several detail touches I like, the ability to trigger multiple exposures from the self timer, presumably to enable hands free bracketing, also the ability to set the interval between the exposures. It's very close to my ideal camera. Pity it will be at least five years before I can afford one!!! Perhaps I will win the lotto? Mmmm, to win it first you have to be in it!!! |
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Gilbert Sandberg
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Some observations from the press releases and brochures: -single SD slot (for space saving) -D4 like sensor, but a slower/cheaper shutter at 1/4000. -only rechargable batteries or mains (no battery option like the D800) -focusing screen: 100% not replacable, switchable grid, no optical focusing aids. -first chrome SLR camera in a long time, I wonder if it is painted plastic or real metal. -remote options: Wireless, MC-DC-2 style or tapered-screw-in remote (not AR-2 like the F and F2 etc.). -most old style (pre 1977) lenses can be used thanks to pop-up Ai coupling, like the F3 end F4 had. (sorry for F3AF and IX lens-owners). Regards, Gilbert |
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jk
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Robert wrote:Agree on the price but I think that was to be expected with a body sporting a D4 sensor. Havent spotted the reference to the remote. I'll have a look at the brochure again. May your numbers be lucky ones |
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amazing50
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It's going to be hard to resist buying one once I see it on my dealers shelf;~) |
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jk
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jk wrote: Robert wrote:OK found the remote reference MC-DC20 which is the same one as is on the D7x00/D5x00/D90 units. |
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TomOC
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How embarrassing for Nikon. This is kind of like your goofy old uncle taking the kids outside to tell them about this new wild and crazy technology called....EMAIL While the kids mock him with a Vine vid... |
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richw
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I'll be interested to see if this sells. |
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jk
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I'll be interested in a second hand one.  At 1/4 price. |
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amazing50
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I think it will sell quite well. Should be a big hit with the baby boomers. The dials look deceptively uncomplicated and it looks like a "real camera", something that will last for years, and besides it will take those old Nikor film camera lenses sitting up in the attic.:thumbsup: |
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richw
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If I had some of those old lenses I'd be tempted by this. I reckon they have just end boosted the e-bay value of MF lenses quite a bit! |
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Iain
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I don't know what to think about it. There will be those that go for it, I think the price will be the thing that slows down sales. |
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Eric
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Iain wrote: I don't know what to think about it. There will be those that go for it, I think the price will be the thing that slows down sales.Totally agree. The price is ludicrous compared to the D610. There was a lively debate on the Fuji forum comparing the DF with the X system. Its quite clear that weight and price rule the day. The weight issue being that, stick a quality nikon lens on this body and it will be 2x the weight of the Fuji with equivalent IQ results. |
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amazing50
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I find that larger, heavier cameras tend to give sharper pictures when hand held and are also easier to grip and use. Both my D5100 and D600 have the extra battery grip. |
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Eric
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amazing50 wrote: I find that larger, heavier cameras tend to give sharper pictures when hand held and are also easier to grip and use. Both my D5100 and D600 have the extra battery grip.Totally agree. But there is a breakeven point when other ctireria influence you photography. Having a softer photo is better than not having one at all....due to the heavy camera being back home. Besides... if you KNOW about this effect, you can takes steps with ISO and other techniques to offset this disadvantage.  |
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novicius
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And that Df is going t` be my next aquisition , finally a REAL camera ... Finally , .. but why oh why SD cards , why not CF or even better XQD .. do n`t tell me they `ve looked at Leica.. |
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Robert
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I can understand wanting to get away from the really old multi pinCF, ATA interface but not to the consumer style SD interface, much better the XQD, PCI interface cards which are replacing the CF card. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XQD_card Mind you, they have to keep the price down somehow. [Tongue very firmly in cheek] |
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jk
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SD cards are the current vogue storage device. CF cards have delicate pins which are a major source of failure. |
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Eric
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Robert wrote:I can understand wanting to get away from the really old multi pinCF, ATA interface but not to the consumer style SD interface, much better the XQD, PCI interface cards which are replacing the CF card. I was looking at the storage devices section in a local hypermarket and amongst the mass of SD cards there wasn't a single CF card on sale. Not that I would have ever bought one from there especially as I didn't need one....but it was perhaps a sign of the times. Better sell my D3 quick. LOL |
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Robert
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Who's interested in vogue? I want performance!!! |
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Robert
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Eric wrote:Robert wrote: I don't think the stock items in the local hypermarket are necessarily a good guide of high performance good quality camera card interfaces? Esp D3. |
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jk
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Better get Eric's D3 that is a great performer. |
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Robert
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I guess I'm just in a bolshy mood tonight! LOL |
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Robert
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jk wrote:Better get Eric's D3 that is a great performer. Not wishing to cast nasturtiums on the D3 but I think much of the credit for Eric's wonderful images have to be attributed to the user. |
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Eric
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Robert wrote:I guess I'm just in a bolshy mood tonight! LOL YOU in a Bolshi mood...you should have had my day yesterday. 8 hours photographing bedrooms at a Best Western hotel! Bl**dy guests checking out late...delaying them being set up. Bl**dy guests checking in early...changing room shoot schedule. Rambling old hotel, miles of corridors over 4 storeys ......I was up and down like a whore's drawers. I was having nightmares all last night. Every time I woke up I had to straighten the duvet, pillows and curtains.  |
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MaxSouthOz
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Sorry. I did a job last year in a multi-storey motel here in Adelaide. Your tale reminded me of me, going up and down from room to room - and bursting in on a supposedly unoccupied room; to find it very much occupied. They were a bit grumpy that I had let myself in with the pass card - but it was well after check out time.  |
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novicius
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The hotel tale reminds me of when I was on holiday overhearing a couple ... She: The sun`s shining , shopping is cheap and you want to stay inside ?! ...He: for thirty euro`s a day You bet , I want my money`s worth !! I have BAD experiences with SD cards , several times has such one gone dead on me , one moment it works a moment later its dead, in 2008 I got a Sandisk Xtreme III 4Gb CF card for my SlrN , the camera has a power-up time of 8 sec. but with that Sandisk X III it was 12 sec. I thought that the SlrN could not handle such a big card , as in those days 4Gb was Huge , wheras a Lexar 1Gb worked flawlessly , over the years power-up became all the way up to 35 sec. crashing at power-up and during mid-shoot , shutting off was n`t enough , the Batt. had to be pulled out , I kept on thinkin`"the card `s too big" , as both the Lexars and Ultra 2 Gb ( Sandisk ) kept on workin` Flawlessly , Then I got a Lexar 8 Gb( Eight ) CF card , and Everything was WELL and still is , it then dawned on me that the Sand.X III 4Gb is faulty , but it kept plodding on , unlike those #"¤%& SD flops , so therefor my Aversion , I`m simply allergic to SD  ..yet with Nikon`s conservative`s strategy, taking years to come out with a new camera , I will have No choice but to succumb to SD once again , that Df is a Charm !! .. |
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TomOC
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How about almost every computer these days has an sd card slot...never seen one with a FC slot... |
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jk
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novicius wrote:I look forward to a Df test report. I like the look but I think the functionality is not increased over a D7000 which is a disappointment. I wanted a split image screen so it was easy to MF the old lenses. Also 18-24MP, but I am sure that 16MP will still yield good images. The price tag is also too high as it should be pitched as a D600/610 level. |
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Robert
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TomOC wrote:How about almost every computer these days has an sd card slot...never seen one with a FC slot... The computer manufactures have to sell to the masses, the masses don't use CF cards. |
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Robert
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Does the Df not have a 'little green' focus confirmation light? That is clear enough and that is what I use with my MF lenses, OK it's hit or miss with pre focus but in the grand scheme of things my keeper rate is good enough for me. Digtal film is cheap and I don't earn my crust from photography. The photo I took of Keith Whittle's record breaking boat on Coniston Water is stunningly sharp, he is highly impressed. This crop is @ 100% 300mm f2.8 D200 set at 1/800Sec f8, the boat was about 250 Yards away and travelling at about 120MPH. OK not every exposure was as sharp as that one but it can be done, with, to me an acceptable keeper rate. This image has had little or no sharpening or noise reduction applied, just upped the 'Clarity' a couple of notches.  Attachment: Screen Shot 2013-11-25 at 08.33.14.jpg (Downloaded 46 times) |
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jk
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I dont find the >o< focus aids to be very helpful. The microprism/split image finder I have in my F3 is best focus aid for me. If I could get a digital insert for the F3 then it would be my favourite camera hence my disappointment with the Df. |
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novicius
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SD (micro etc. )is the most used ,true , but picture this , you`ve been out shooting ,took some what ye feel are great snaps , ye come home, onto the comp. and .. great stuff , ye feel on top of the world , switch-off , some hrs. later proclaiming proudly to family and friends that "ye`ve Outdone yerself , Look here !!"... and there`s nothing !! now that has happened t`me on several occasions , am I the only one who`s had " monday " SD`s ?..what were the tech at Nikon thinking of ?? space issues mebbe ?..would it really have been such a huge feat t` to use CF .. I just hope that later generation SD is up to pro-standards. I`ve read a bit about the specs., and sure , I do wonder what it`ll be like to work with that repositioned frontwheel , going back to vertical holding , yet as far as focus confirmation , with my elder eyes I do prefer the little green lantern over split/micro prism/washed -out RF patch , and there`s allways Nikon`s famous " snap-focus " , another feature ( if I`ve understood correctly ) are the selectable Grid lines , something allways in use with my SlrN , I am convinced that "Available Darkness capability " is included , amount of MP not so important t`me , as the 2.6 mp of my D1 still outperform many of the not so cheap P'S camera`s ,for me , the Df is the one I`ve been longing for , a camera that looks like a Camera , instead of those big dark blobs , mind you , I do cherish my D1 / D1x / SlrN , but when that Df arrives , they `ll be behind the Df`s monitor , 2015 , that`s when one will find a place in my bag , I will give Nikon one year to iron-out possible software issues .. One year and not a day more  |
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jk
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So you not buying for a year. Oh no there I was hoping someone was going to do a road test. |
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richw
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I've been rethinking this - if I could afford it I think I'd get one, but I'm spending on lighting and computer upgrades for the next year or so. But...... It's basically a D4 with the weight and size of a D7000. The more I think about it the more attractive that becomes. |
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Eric
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richw wrote:I've been rethinking this - if I could afford it I think I'd get one, but I'm spending on lighting and computer upgrades for the next year or so. Put like that it makes sense. I am deterred by three things.... 1. Price ....its a bit overpriced for my liking. Will see how it performs and prices moves in early 2014. Some say the d610 is good enough for fx? 2. External dials....i know we all had them once, but ever since the eos bodies i've become accustomed to smooth, knock preventing, keep clean surfaces. My negative experiences with the fuji, centre around external dials getting knocked off setting. More double checking needed. 3. Weight....like other FX bodies, no matter how light THEY are, the fx lenses we have, and sensibly would use, lift the weight again...may even disturb balance. Lighter bodies need lighter quality lenses for max benefit. Dont get me wrong, i will stll go and play with one. But the experience with the fuji has taught me two things....you can get D3 quality(good enough for me) from a DX sensor ....and knobs/dials look nice but can be a poisoned chalice. You have to play with a new body a lot more before you know if you will use it regularly......as i told the wife, just before i got this severe pain. |
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jk
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richw wrote:I've been rethinking this - if I could afford it I think I'd get one, but I'm spending on lighting and computer upgrades for the next year or so. OK I'll play devils advocate here! 1. Are you going to want video ? No well that is fine, neither would that worry me. 2. As you have the D3S then you are covered on FX do you only want FX or do you want DX for greater telephoto reach? 3. Are you at all daunted by the cost ? The D600/610 will be had for just half the price of a Df. OK we both like its retro looks but I think the price is too high but it will fall in 6 months. 4. You have no legacy glass - I think I remember you saying this. A D400 or even D5300 may suit better. The D400 is still vapourware but the D5300 has some really interesting features and at 24MP is probably at the top end of the sweet spot of MP. |
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Eric
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jk wrote:richw wrote: Having just compared the Df, D5300, and D7100, there are some interesting differences. Aside from the price and retro look of the Df , it's still the same size/weight as the D7100. Only the D5300 is Fuji size. The D5300 isn't weatherproofed and has more limited shots per charge than the others. I still think 24mp on a DX is too far. I am not sure from current reviews I would favour the Df despite its attractive sensor. But I suppose it depends which characteristic most drives you to overcome each models shortcomings? Is it IQ...weight....features....durability....style???? |
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Graham Whistler
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Only just come out of hospital after knee replacement op so have missed all this. As first day I have been able to sit at the computer but only if keep leg up!!! Looks very interesting an nice small size as a spare body, I like the retro style. Be interested to see reviews but image quality bound to be good. No video is no problem for me and many other photographers. |
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Eric
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Graham Whistler wrote:Only just come out of hospital after knee replacement op so have missed all this. As first day I have been able to sit at the computer but only if keep leg up!!! Good to see you back posting Graham, hopefully well on the way to full recovery. I suspect one of the obstacle the Df will face is the functionality of the dials. Nostalgia is all very well, but we all become accustomed to new designs and features. I bet Nikon wouldn't sell many bodies if they went truly retro....and removed the LCD from the back!! The price point is also a tad high. I think just under the 2k mark is more appropriate. But that puts in price conflict with the D610.... which compared to the D800 is also a tad overpriced. In fact there is an FX confusion with these 3 bodies. IMHO. |
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jk
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Glad that you have started your recuperation Graham. Hope that you are out and about soon. |
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richw
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jk wrote:richw wrote: OK.... 1 - I've come to the conclusion video is not for me, except maybe a bit of fun with a Go-Pro when doing something active. Might change my mind if we ever manage to have kids, but I think a Camcorder is a lot easier to use. 2. Absolutely and the D3s is plenty good enough performance wise for me, but if I went for a backup body I'm thinking this might be very nice. The smaller form factor/lighter weight is also attractive for slipping in a backpack when I might not take the D3s - I sometimes take the D7000 out for this reason now (but maybe Fuji or Sony would be an even better choice). D600 is another option, if it had a D4 sensor I think I might have got one already but at the moment it's just not grabbing me for some reason. (Just as well - I don't need another body really). 3.Yes, otherwise I'd probably have one by now! 4.D400 might appeal if it comes out but for now the D7000 suffices instead of a D5300. For now I have the D3s, the D7000 and Sony RX1 in regular use, with a D200 and D70 (which I'm not sure still works) in the cupboard. Probably should gift the D200 to someone. |
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novicius
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I suspect one of the obstacle the Df will face is the functionality of the dials. In a way this sums it up , them dials are not so easy to use when using gloves , Nikon did not even try t´ make it so , witness the on/off switch which is a shutterbutton collar reminiscent of the Nikon F , nigh impossible to use when wearing gloves,the front wheel falls under the middlefinger , yet a fingered glove might not move it , however inadvertantly moving those dials can n`t be done as they `ll have t` be unlocked.The Big D`s are easy t` use with ( thin ) gloves , I suspect that Nikon took a hard look at their offerings and decided that all those goodies look alike , yet require a shopping list to show the differences , Confusing to say the least , a camera that was radically different was needed , signalling and delivering Superb Photographic Quality , without those bells and whistles that are only in the way ,yet with a good deal of familiarity , and the Df answers that in every aspect , I wonder if this is the establishing of TWO easilly distinguishable Pro-lines , ( 1 ) the resurrection of a picture taking tool , functioning flawlessly within its limitations ( forget about gloves ) , ( 2 ) and the big D`s with bells and whistles and being glove friendly , both being capable to deliver stunning photo quality , the price has been mentioned a few times as being costly , and I too would like to pay much less , and yet ,as it seems that the Df `s photo capabilities seem to rival those of the D4 , and the D4 costing about twice as much as the Df due to its video capibility , shows video comes at a hefty price tag , something I do n`t need/want in my " snappy " , so no more confusing poor little me , plus I`m getting a step closer to that PC E Nikkor 24 , and hoping for prices t` come down is another valid reason t`wait a year , but not a day longer . sorry JK |
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Eric
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novicius wrote: I suspect one of the obstacle the Df will face is the functionality of the dials.Totally agree with the dial comments. The price will fall (like other Nikons) to 75% in 6months...so if I was desperate for nostalgia, I would still wait for a better price. I just think that cameras have evolved into the current shapes, lines and function buttons for a reason...and we (well certainly I have) happily embraced those changes, as they make picture taking easier. Stepping back for the sake of the appearance doesnt sit right with me anymore. Sure the Df has got the best (?) sensor; sure its got legacy lens compatibility; sure it has had nasty video removed...but these are sops to the grey haired purists. Except ....this grey haired purist has been using the retro Fuji for 12 months, which has D3 image quality, but has some of the same retro funtionality quirks of the Df ....that restrict its easy intuitive use. With this in mind, I would question whether having it as a back up to a 'normal' DNikon body is wise? Having used the D7000 and Fuji alongside one another for a year, there is no doubt I have spent more time double checking settings because of differences in feel and 'adjuster' arrangement between the systems. Having to take 'time out' to think about equipment interferes with your creative time and affect results. The only way to force myself to use the Fuji was to leave the D7000 at home. That worked. I did eventually spend less time thinking about equipment with only the one body....but I missed shots that I KNOW I would have gotten with the engrained familiarity of the Dnormal bodies.  |
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Iain
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I think working with two different bodies is always a problem for the flow of work. With me doing the sport and wildlife I don't have time to think where the buttons etc are on different makes of cameras. Even different models by the same manufacturer can sometimes pose a problem. Going back to SD cards, having bodies that take CF and SD cards I find that even the fastest Sd card is still slow compared to similar speed CF card. |
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blackfox
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Iain wrote:I think working with two different bodies is always a problem for the flow of work. With me doing the sport and wildlife I don't have time to think where the buttons etc are on different makes of cameras. Even different models by the same manufacturer can sometimes pose a problem. got to agree 100% with that |
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amazing50
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Good to see you back Graham, hopefully well on the way to a full recovery. Other than the "feel good factor" the Df doesn't seem to have that much to offer me, that I don't have in my D600. In fact it's missing features that I require such as Video. The price of the Df is rather high because of the cost of the extra dials. It's much cheaper to do things with firmware, than mechanically. |
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Eric
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Good point |
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jk
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Yes indeed dials are a more expensive way of doing things in the electronic world. |
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richw
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Well I had a look at one in the local camera store. I liked it a lot. Unlike the Fuji X100 I don't think the dials would easily move out of position once set, they seem very firmly placed. Overall the build quality seemed excellent and it felt vey nice. |
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jk
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I'm sure it (Df) is and will be a good performer but I do think that Nikon have missed a trick with the pricing. There is no way this camera should be more expensive than a D800. It is not as good as a D800 (IMHO having not even touched the camera much less used it!). That said I like the styling but not the price but I'm sure I have a go with one soon enough. |
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amazing50
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Nikon Canada prices a bit differently as sold by Henrys.com. Df $2750, D800 $3000, D800E 3300 bodies only and 13% tax and recycle fee extra. They will hold this price for quite a while except for special promotions and often they involve glass/accessories etc. |
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novicius
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The dials are not an X-tra , they are " Instead " ,... in a way , they`re the main point of the camera , I would not choose the Df as a back-up for a Big D but as the main shooter , since I do n`t require video , if I needed a back-up I would go for another Df . price-wise that could be feasible , two Df`s for nearly the same price of one D4. I agree with the comment that the Big D `s have evolved the way they have albeit in a "particular direction" ,and considering the Df`s build quality ( sealed everywhere ) I suspect it t` be a pro-shooter in its own right , returning to the " photographic route" pre-digital times . I think that it`s in step with retrograde passion as seen in other " worlds" , in Hi-Fi there is the resurrection of valve amps. , many gitarists have also gone back to valves , even the transcription turntable is available again . for me , I `ve gone over to digital because of the EASE and Quality , while retaing my lenses , I was wishing that the camera`s were a tad closer to home ( dials etc. ) so to me the Df is the answer . In this day and age , many Pro`s NEED video capability and the Big D`s provide that, this is why I think that we`re wittnessing a new take on things, in Pro fashion no-less. |
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jk
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amazing50 wrote: Nikon Canada prices a bit differently as sold by Henrys.com. Df $2750, D800 $3000, D800E 3300 bodies only and 13% tax and recycle fee extra. They will hold this price for quite a while except for special promotions and often they involve glass/accessories etc. Those prices look OK. UK prices are.... Df + 50mm f1.8 AFS = £2750 (the 50mm f1.8 AFS = £150) so body only £2600 D4 = £4225 D800 = £1960 D800E =£2330 Oh No, am I tempting myself by doing this? What is up with UK prices? The Df is £640 more expensive than the D800 and £270 more than the D800E in UK. Then factor in the exchange rate GBP£1=CDN$1.74 or GBP£1=USD$1.63 and the RipOff GB flag starts flying...... |
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Eric
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jk wrote:amazing50 wrote:Nikon Canada prices a bit differently as sold by Henrys.com. Df $2750, D800 $3000, D800E 3300 bodies only and 13% tax and recycle fee extra. They will hold this price for quite a while except for special promotions and often they involve glass/accessories etc. Except, the Df is at launch price and the D800 is 9months down cost curve. The D800 was £2400ish at launch....which is a fairer comparison....but still too expensive. |
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amazing50
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UK launch prices tend to be high, with discounts following as supply increases, while Canadian prices are lower at launch but hold for quite a while. My D600 didn't drop in price until the D6100 came out. Now it is about $300 less. Do the UK prices include VAT or is it added on like our 13% HST tax? |
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Eric
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amazing50 wrote:UK launch prices tend to be high, with discounts following as supply increases, while Canadian prices are lower at launch but hold for quite a while. My D600 didn't drop in price until the D6100 came out. Now it is about $300 less. Retail prices quoted include vat at 20%. It's quite usual for cameras to drop 25% over the first 6-9 months after launch. Guess when I buy ? |
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richw
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Here the Df and D800 are identically priced at $3095 body only. D800E is $3335. |
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jk
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Very strange pricing with such big differences around the world. |
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amazing50
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jk wrote: Not for me. Seems like the aftermarket isn't asleep at the wheel ;~) http://nikonrumors.com/2014/01/19/the-first-nikon-df-focusing-screens-are-now-available-online.aspx/ |
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Robert
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No excuse now JK!!! Although quite why Nikon can't supply one as standard eludes me... |
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Graham Whistler
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I've yet to see one but agree the price in UK is far too high. |
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jk
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Graham Whistler wrote: I've yet to see one but agree the price in UK is far too high.I agree. This camera is at best 'worth' £1750. For me it should be priced closer to the D610 price (£1355) but with a small premium for the new/old design so about £1600. |
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jk
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This is excellent. You have to watch it all the way through. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en5z-Q4po4M |
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Eric
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jk wrote: This is excellent.Very funny...and enlightening. But he touches on one of my concerns about running the Fuji system alongside the Nikon bodies... dissimilar controls. Having to think, even for a moment, which camera you are using and which dials to turn may slow you down, but it doesnt necessarily slow you down in a manner that improves your pictures....it just distracts you. If you want to slow yourself down and think more about your photography, put a 50mm lens on ANY on your favourite bodies... and just use that. I still would like a D3 AND lens reduced to Fuji weight and size. |
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jk
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I dont find it a problem and sometimes I am running them side by side on the same shoot. |
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Eric
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jk wrote: I dont find it a problem and sometimes I am running them side by side on the same shoot.You're a better man than I am Gunga Din. |
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amazing50
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Seems that the Df might be a hit as a fashion accessory but even there it lacks some of the basic things that the fashion crowd thrives on, like wireless connectivity for texting and instant sharing of stills and video-oops no video mode ;~( and no built in flash and articulating LCD for selfies-not even a spot mirror for centering. Hopefully Nikon will have a new revised Df for the fall fashion shows. |
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jk
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Eric wrote: jk wrote:Come and we can get some IR and flamenco shooting together. Plenty of walking in the hills. I'm going to try and get over to UK in May/June so be warned I may turn up to pick your brains!I dont find it a problem and sometimes I am running them side by side on the same shoot.You're a better man than I am Gunga Din. |
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Graham Whistler
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This is excellent. You have to watch it all the way through. Thanks for that link JK. I think it said it all! |
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jk wrote:Eric wrote:jk wrote:Come and we can get some IR and flamenco shooting together. Plenty of walking in the hills. I'm going to try and get over to UK in May/June so be warned I may turn up to pick your brains!I dont find it a problem and sometimes I am running them side by side on the same shoot.You're a better man than I am Gunga Din. Sadly my brains...and the other bits ...will be in either Slovenia or Southern Italy about that time. Might be in the Pyrenees later in the year. :thumbsup: |
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