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blackfox
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wonder if anyone has a answer to this one ,i have a d7000 ,set up correctly as far as i,m aware ,always shoot in RAW ,and get lots of super shots . BUT one thing is missing the colour saturation of the raw files .the wife uses my d200 set up virtually the same way shooting in raw ,the files from that or if i'm correct the image thats uploaded to apeture are always far richer in there colour saturation than from the d7000 . its starting to bug me now ,i know they are two different processors but its starting to feel like less is more HELP :baffled::baffled: |
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richw
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Raw files are always a little flat before processing and owning both cameras I can't notice any difference when importing into Lightroom. I would guess it is something set in Aperture that is being applied upon import, perhaps it is picking up the Jpg saturation settings in the camera? |
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jk
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What Rich says is true. All RAW files need a bit of a 'boost' compared to a JPG. Also different cameras and electronics do different things in the way they process. In Bibble5 I used to use Sharpening = 190, Saturation = +20 and Vibrance = +30. In Aftershot Pro same software slightly different colour management engine I used Sharpening = 190, Saturation = +00 and Vibrance = +10. That is for my D700, D3 and D3S images. I use slightly different settings for the D300 Different again for the X100 files. On some occasions very flat lighting, I would boost Saturation and Vibrance more. In studio I frequently zero everything as that works better. I am just looking to move over to Capture Pro as my main RAW processor so I will have to experiment again to get everything right. |
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ttreppa
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Several years ago I came across this saturation enhancement in Photoshop. In curves anchor the center point then move to the upper right half way to the corner and anchor there and using the up arrows move up about five to seven taps on the the up arrow. Then move to the lower left half way to the corner make an anchor point and tap the down arrow about five to seven times. Don't do it too much our you get wild results. Terry Treppa |
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blackfox
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thanks for the replies so far ,but processing is not really what i am querying , what i want to know is d7000 ,shooting raw files for the sake of argument setup A D200 ,shooting raw files again using set up A so both cameras are set exactly the same or as near as dammit ,only real difference being compact flash cards as opposed to sdhc cards . both show a jpeg version of the shot on rear screen and also when loaded to apeture ,before raw file is touched/edited . so why the total difference in colour saturation the d200 pics although being less pixels and noisier are really rich and colour saturated the d7000's PRIOR to processing are bland by comparison . it makes no difference to fully processed photos just the raw file .the best way i can describe it the old hands will know what i mean is comparing the d7000 to exctachrome slides and the d200 to fuji slides . |
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Robert
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Simply two different cameras, from different generations. You could expect two D200's to be very similar (mine were, I couldn't tell the difference) and probably two D7000's but I don't think Nikon try to synchronise every model, and retain backward comparison too, esp with RAW (NEF) files, because by definition RAW filed need processing anyway, that's the idea. A raw file has not been processed in any way. But when you take a RAW image into Lightroom Lightroom does process the JPEG and 'enhances' it. So you MAY be seeing the results of Lightrooms behind the scenes processing, which again may well be different from one camera to another. If you want instantly 'ready' images take JPEG to TIFF's but you won't get the range of adjustment you get with an NEF. Are you sure the D200 isn't set to vivid? From my memory that setting is fairly hidden ... Although that should not affect an NEF. |
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jk
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The JPG in the header of NEF files is just an 'approximate rendering' of how/what the camera thinks the image should render if it had used JPG. This is purely down to the way that Nikon have decided that the sensor and its electronics interact. I think that Nikon unlike Canon try to render in a 'neutral' a la Ektachrome way rather than in a Canon (brighter than life) a la Fuji Velvia way!! When you look at Canon RAW files they look very neutral as well.  The real rendering is as you render them with adjustments in the RAW processing software. I think if you want them to look identical on the backs of the camera then you may need to profile the cameras and upload the respective profile to each camera. Seems like a lot of work to me. |
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richw
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Robert wrote:
That's what I was trying to say. Different software will also give you a different look pre-processing, so inevitably this cannot be separated from processing as a topic. |
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blackfox
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resurrecting this for what its worth ,the d300s gives the best images i have seen so far straight from camera .really weird as you would have thought nikon would have done something to bring all there systems into the same range .i will probably hold on to both d300s and d7000 till anew 7100 or d400 appears ,somethings gotta give on the dx market soon |
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Peter_LO
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Perhaps I'm a bit late to add my 2 cents... Is Active D-lighting enabled? It can make the pictures look flat and unsaturated sometimes. |
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jk
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blackfox wrote:resurrecting this for what its worth ,the d300s gives the best images i have seen so far straight from camera .really weird as you would have thought nikon would have done something to bring all there systems into the same range .i will probably hold on to both d300s and d7000 till anew 7100 or d400 appears ,somethings gotta give on the dx market soon I think that is a wise move Jeff. The D400 must be released some time soon. |
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Squarerigger
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jk wrote:blackfox wrote: It won't be released until ArcticRick buys a D7000 or D700.  |
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jk
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Squarerigger wrote: jk wrote:  I could sell him my D700 as I dont use it often then buy it back from him when the D400 is released the following week. |
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Squarerigger
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jk wrote:Squarerigger wrote:jk wrote: Now that's what I call a plan. Maybe even pull one over on Nikon.  |
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