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jk
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A replacement for the D300S http://www.dpreview.com/news/8529664044/here-at-last-nikon-announces-d500 |
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jk
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Nikon has announced the much-anticipated followup to its D300S, the 20.9MP D500 which the company calls its 'best enthusiast DX offering.' It features the same 153-point AF system and EXPEED 5 processor. It can shoot continuously at 10 fps with a 200 shot buffer for Raw images. It can also capture 4K/UHD video and also features 'SnapBridge', a constant connection to a smartphone using Bluetooth, similar to what Samsung did with its NX1. The D500 will be available from March at a cost of around $2000. The camera's relationship to the D5 matches that shared between the D3 and original D300, with the APS-C format camera offering the same AF system and similar feature set with only a slight drop in continuous shooting speed and a much small body. We were pretty impressed with the similar low power Bluetooth option on the NX1 as way of keeping a constant line of communication open between the camera and a smart device, meaning that images can quickly be pushed or pulled across from device to device. This continuous connectedness should make Wi-Fi much easier to use and consequently more appealing. Press release: PRO PEDIGREE, DX AGILITY: THE NEW NIKON D500 ESTABLISHES A NEW ERA OF DX-FORMAT PERFORMANCE The Highly Anticipated Resurrection of the DX-Format Flagship Gives Photographers the Best Combination of Speed, Reach and Connectivity LAS VEGAS, NV (January 5, 2016) – Today, Nikon Inc. announced the D500, a DX-format DSLR with pro-level features that gives photographers nimble handling, speed and extreme processing power in a compact and lightweight body. With amazing imaging capability, robust build quality and lightning fast performance, the D500 is sure to satisfy as the highly sought-after successor to the venerable D300S. Like its sibling the D5, the D500 benefits from Nikon's latest technological innovations such as the totally new, blazing-fast Multi-CAM 20K 153-point AF system and 4K UHD video capture, yet adds a fun new way to share photos with Nikon SnapBridge built-in. “Nikon has answered the call from photographers to once again re-invent this camera category and offer an unmatched combination of performance and value that is hard for any photographer to resist,†said Masahiro Horie, Director of Marketing and Planning, Nikon Inc. “When paired with the amazing imaging capabilities of legendary NIKKOR optics, photographers can capture intimate portraits, mind-blowing macros or action from extreme distances– the possibilities are endless.†Pro-Level Image Quality, DX-Format Versatility The D500 imagines the best of both worlds, offering advanced enthusiasts and pro photographers all the benefits of DX-format, such as smaller form-factor and lens crop, combined with many of the same advanced pro features found in the new Nikon D5. The new Nikon D500 features an all-new 20.9-megapixel DX-format CMOS sensor that renders images with outstanding colors and gorgeous tonality. This new sensor is coupled with Nikon's new EXPEED 5 image processing engine, affording low noise and maximum processing power with a surprisingly small footprint and superbly balanced body. The benefits of the DX-format are evident for long-distance applications like wildlife and sports photography, where telephoto ability is at a premium and weight reduction is welcome. With Nikon's legendary FX or smaller-sized DX-format NIKKOR lenses, the sleek D500 is the ideal companion for wanderlust. When mated with the new AF-S NIKKOR 200-500mm f/5.6E ED VR lens, the D500 offers a remarkable 350-750mm equivalent focal range for a lightweight, yet super-telephoto duo. Because amazing images can happen even when the sun goes down, the D500 is capable of excellent low-light performance, with an ISO range of 100-51,200, expandable to 50-1,640,000 equivalent. From low-light cityscapes to action sports under the lights, the D500 is ready to tackle any imaging challenge. Performance Meets Portability Within the streamlined body of the D500 is a formidable processing powerhouse. Whether photographing sideline sports for the home team or animals in exotic destinations, a super-fast 10 frames-per-second (fps) burst speed with full AF and AE will help nail nearly any shot. This extreme speed lets users capture every fleeting moment in exceptional clarity, while a generous buffer allows for up to 79 shots (14-bit, uncompressed RAW/NEF) to be captured, so the moment won't be missed. To keep pace with the action, the D500 is fitted with the same AF system as the Nikon D5, the Multi-CAM 20K AF sensor module, with a separate dedicated processor for AF function. On the D500's DX format sensor, the 153-point AF array fills the frame from side to side, letting users flawlessly track and lock-onto subjects from the edges of the viewfinder. Like the D5, the D500 utilizes the new 180K RGB Metering system and Advanced Scene Recognition System to help ensure balanced exposures and fantastic color rendition in nearly any shooting situation. Controls and Rugged Construction Worthy of a Flagship The D500 features an enhanced level of robust build quality, offering the same amount of rugged weather sealing as the Nikon D810. The durable body is a monocoque structure composed of magnesium alloy for the top and rear, while the front is reinforced with lightweight carbon fiber. The shutter mechanism has been tested for 200K actuations, helping to ensure maximum endurance. For further durability, the D500 excludes a pop-up flash, yet is compatible with Nikon's newest radio frequency capable flash, the SB-5000 Speedlight (with optional WR-R10 & WR-A10)1. It's easy to compose and view images on the D500's bright 3.2-inch, high resolution (2359K-dot) touchscreen LCD, which lets users interact with photos in playback, control the camera and operate menus. When mounted on a tripod or shooting from creative angles, landscape and event shooters will appreciate the reinforced tilting LCD screen, similar to that of the Nikon D750. Additionally, images are rapidly written to either a fast XQD card slot or to the additional SD card slot for maximum workflow efficiency. Constant Connectivity with the New Nikon SnapBridge The D500 marshals in a new way to share photos wirelessly with the new Nikon SnapBridge, making the camera's built-in connectivity easier to use than ever before. SnapBridge allows for Bluetooth2 supported connection between your camera and compatible smart device, thus making automatic upload of your images possible. Once enabled, the camera stays connected to the smart device and transfers photos, eliminating the need to re-connect devices. Those looking to share images from their travels or from the field can also tag images for transfer in camera and can password protect their connection for added security. As an added benefit, the D500's built-in Near Field Communication (NFC)3 capability easily connects the camera to a compatible smart device with just a tap, while built-in Wi-Fi3 capability allows for faster wireless image transfer. For those looking for an even faster transfer solution, the D500 is also compatible with the new optional WT-7A Wireless Transmitter, enabling wired or wireless transmission of files to an FTP server or computer at faster speeds. Advanced Video Features Just like the D5, the D500 has the ability to capture striking 4K UHD video at up to 30p (3840x2160), as well as Full HD (1080p) video at a variety of frame rates. Ready for any production, the camera sports a host of pro video features derived from the D810, including uncompressed HDMI output and Picture Controls, but adds even more great features. These pro-level creative video features include the ability to create 4K time-lapse movies in-camera, Auto ISO smoothing to provide fluid transitions in exposure during recording, and the capability to record 4K UHD video to the card and output to HDMI simultaneously. When capturing 1080p Full HD content, the camera also has a new 3-axis electronic VR feature that can be activated regardless of the lens being used. Challenging video exposures are no problem for the D500, as it also adds in Active D-Lighting to Full HD video to balance exposure values within a scene to help prevent blown-out highlights Price and Availability The new Nikon D500 DSLR will be available in March 2016 for a suggested retail price (SRP) of $1,999.95* for the body-only configuration. A kit will also be available, bundled with the versatile AF-S DX NIKKOR 16-80mm f/3.5-5.6 G ED VR lens, for the SRP of $3,069.95*. The MB-D17-battery pack will also be available in March 2016 for the SRP of $449.95* and will add extended battery life and facilitate vertical shooting. The WT-7A Wireless Transmitter will be available in March 2016, for the SRP of $934.95*. For more information on these new Nikon products, please visit http://www.nikonusa.com. |
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Robert
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You beat me to it by a few minutes! Well don't know what happened to the D400 but here it is, the big one, for the DX user. Need to read up the spec/ |
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jk
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I think that since it is 20.9 MP that Nikon have made a great decision to align the new D5 and D500 as a working professional pair with 20MP as the sweet spot for MP density with current technology. I have the D600 which is FF and 24MP as well as the D800 which is FF and 36MP and I seldom use the D800 as it is too detailed except for landscape! So I was debating D810/D750 but now the D500 adds pleasant confusion to the mix. Do I want FX or DX? I think that the FX option is good for landscape and I have that covered with the D800, the D600 is slightly (very slightly) slower than the D800 at AF speed in low light levels. The D750 is meant to be equal to the D810 in AF speed so maybe I need to release my D3 definitely and get a D500 or D750. I am leaning towards the D500 as it provides me with higher ISO capability for use with longer telephotos. |
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Iain
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Any date for release and price yet. |
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Robert
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Iain wrote:Any date for release and price yet. March and $2,000, how that translates to £,£££ I not sure, probably £1,999? |
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Eric
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jk wrote:I think that since it is 20.9 MP that Nikon have made a great decision to align the new D5 and D500 as a working professional pair with 20MP as the sweet spot for MP density with current technology. Unless you are wanting to 'join every dot' in the Nikon FX range, I don't see the point of adding the D750. The D500 would seem to be the obvious choice. The D3 and D300 were a great pairing that fulfilled every need for me over a long period. For me a D500, if it lives up to billing, would be a no brainer. Whats more of a dilemma is the choice of FX body with the D600,D750, D810 and D4/5 vying for ideal partner. Their individual strengths are well known....it's really down to which fits your shooting needs. |
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Robert
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The Spec's http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d500/spec.htm |
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Judith
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Sigh...a year too late for me! I'll wait till the price comes down a bit and think about getting one. |
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Robert
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That's what I did with the D200, I waited until the D300 was imminent, the dealers were dumping the D200 to make room for new stocks the D300 so I got a bargain. Not sure how this will work given the extended delay releasing the (D400) D500. (What happened to strike through text?) |
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jk
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Been listening to some chat from people who have been lucky to get hands on. There are some very nice features especially for video users who want both stills and video. The camera can dump video to a connected external hard disk. The wifi and bluetooth (SnapBridge) connectivity has moved on a leap. Essentially the D500 is a D5 in a small body and with a DX sensor. The AF is also improved further over D3/D4/D810/D800, if you need more speed and tracking. This really a big jump forward from the D300S. Hmmmm, now to wait for the pricing and a hands on. I might be tempted to make an early trip to UK this year. |
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Bob Bowen
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Wex are offers at £1729 for D500 and £5199 for D5 |
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Bob Bowen
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Wex - sodding PT |
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jk
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Bob Bowen wrote:Wex - sodding PT   I have changed it in the original post in case anyone got excited and ordered a dozen! |
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Graham Whistler
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Bit late but they seem to have got it good! But for what I'm doing now the D5 is more interesting. The little Sony RX10 is my portable and very good happy snap camera producing high quality A3 prints good enough to use in entries at the local camera club. |
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Graham Whistler
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UK Dealers are looking at £1750 or more as starting price, seems very high to me compared with the D7200 now at £750? I had expected £1400 to start with settling down to near £1200 for the top DX camera? I also see the D5 well over £5000 much as we all thought it would be to start with. |
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amazing50
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The 4K video isn't that hot, the crop factor on the D500 is 2.2x with a max shoot time of 3 min. |
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TomOC
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Whoopee... D500 for sure for me. I still use the D300s quite a bit but it is definitely long in the tooth at this point. Cheers, Tom |
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Robert
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Graham Whistler wrote:UK Dealers are looking at £1750 or more as starting price, seems very high to me compared with the D7200 now at £750? I had expected £1400 to start with settling down to near £1200 for the top DX camera? I also see the D5 well over £5000 much as we all thought it would be to start with. The D200 was £1300 recommended retail 2005. There has been quite a bit of inflation since then? I bought my D200 (new) for £750, mid 2007, about the time the D300 was released. The D500 is a considerable development from the D300, and light years from the D200. Effectively The D500 is a mini D5, most of the essentials i.e. the AF, are similar or identical. |
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jk
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amazing50 wrote:The 4K video isn't that hot, the crop factor on the D500 is 2.2x with a max shoot time of 3 min. Mike I am no video expert but the interview that I saw on DPReview with Mike Soares said that the video time was unlimited. He may have been talking about other than 4K video. It would be useful to provide a url of where some of this detail is coming from as it can be conflicting or poorly reported. We need to get hold of a user manual  |
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Eric
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Robert wrote:Graham Whistler wrote: The D750 entered the UK arena at c.£1800 in Sept14. By mid 2015 ( when I bought one) it was £1400. My euphoria has, however, been short lived. The price currently stands at £1250.  This sort of price drop rate has been seen on many past models. It does seem that an 18month delay can see prices drop to 60%. I have pencilled onto my 2017 calendar...Buy D500. |
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amazing50
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Checked on Nikon service and there are no manuals for D5 or D500 available yet. Best source for the vid info so far is Thom http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/the-day-after-nikon-d5-d500.html Things are still in flux so it will take some time to get all the specs etc. Was in at my local Nikon dealer and asked if the D500 had an anti aliasing filter or not, since I couldn't anything aboutit in the specs. He said that since it wasn't mentioned it probably had one.  |
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jk
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I would think there is no anti-aliasing filter as that is the current trend. But until we see the full specifications then we are only guessing. |
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amazing50
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More info on the 4k video from DPReview. Doesn't look too good for anyone serious about 4k. http://www.dpreview.com/opinions/7352408758/nikon-s-new-d5-and-d500-push-the-boundaries-of-dslr?slide=14 |
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Sixstringslinger
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This looks awesome. It could be my upgrade when I tire of my D3300. |
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jk
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I have just been looking at the D500 specs in more detail. It seems that there is no built on flash on the D500. Am I right? |
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Robert
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You are correct JK, no built in flash... Personally I have to say I do find the bBI flash hands for a bit of infill but it's a pain with a wide lens, even the 18-105, you have to take the lens shade off at the widest settings else you get a big shadow on the bottom of the image. I think not having the BI flash increases the ruggedness of the camera and increases the dust/water resistance I have heard that some bodies have corroded in that area when exposed to sea spray. |
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amazing50
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One of the advantages of living 1000k from salt water. |
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Robert
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amazing50 wrote:One of the advantages of living 1000k from salt water. And in a less humid atmosphere? But it is cooler, I have always said you can work hard to keep warm but not to keep dry! |
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amazing50
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Hard work won't warm you up when it's below -30C. |
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Iain
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I think the price will drop after the first rush and a good supply is reaching the uk as it's £600 more expensive than the Canon7D mkii it's main rival. When the price does drop I'll be ordering one. |
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jk
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I have been looking at the feature comparison between D500, D7200 and D300S on NikonRumors website. http://nikonrumors.com/2016/01/07/nikon-d500-vs-d7200-vs-d300s-specifications-comparison.aspx/ When you compare what is on offer the D500 has better AF, and video than all but it is not so far behind the D7200 in MP but D500 has better buffering. The D300S lags in AF a little, buffering a little and a lot in video and a lot in the MP stakes. However looking at it dispassionately then there is a lot to say unless you need the video and extra MP then a D300S could work for you! |
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Iain
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The old D300s is still a usable camera especially with the software that we have now. I've been playing around with some old D300 files in Nikon view NX-I and PS and got usable images from ones I had not been happy with at the time. |
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Eric
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Iain wrote:The old D300s is still a usable camera especially with the software that we have now. I have been wondering if we get blinded more than we think, with advancements. I am currently sorting out my business photos and artwork, preparatory to offering them to past customers when I close the business in March. Some of the old D1X photos have incredible clarity! With only 6mp they are possibly not going to blow up like a D500. Nevertheless, I did A3 glossy mag spreads with many of these images and no complaints from clients. Of course the glass was good...that's why I have kept it. But I wonder if we inadvertently put in less 'effort' with more capable cameras? |
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amazing50
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Eric wrote:
I think it is a different or evolved effort. Shooting say fireworks from start to finish takes about the same time and effort today as it did with film. Then we shot a roll, or a few plates, and spent the rest of the night in the darkroom, emerging in the wee hours with a handful of prints, and hopefully, a realy good one. Now we spend the rest of the night on a computer, ending up with hundreds of adjusted virtual immages, and hopefully a realy good one. |
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Iain
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I think that even as pros we get caught up in the megapixel race. The big thing was always having good glass and a capable camera and the ability to see and compose the image. Now people take the shot and compose on the PC and need the mp to crop, I've found myself doing it as well. We/I have got lazy at the taking stage. Like you Eric I have shots taken with an old,in my case, 1Dh and they still. Now print up to a3 and look good as they filled the frame. |
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amazing50
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Nowdays pulling jpg's from 4K video gives more resolution than a 1Dh. Tried this out with some concert footage in 4K and unadjusted full frame prints looked good at about 12x20, which is roughly a streached A3 size. |
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jk
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Iain wrote:I think that even as pros we get caught up in the megapixel race. The big thing was always having good glass and a capable camera and the ability to see and compose the image. I think unfortunately you are right. Laziness is infectious! |
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Eric
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jk wrote:Iain wrote: Not sure it's laziness? Maybe it is? I think it's an over reliance on the technology. As Iain eluded to, when your equipment is limiting, you have no alternative but to maximise the image quality at capture. For example getting in closer to have more pixel coverage, using tripods and optimum quality settings. With the improvements and advancements of DSLRs we don't have to buy exensive long lenses, or get in as close... because cropping low ISO shots gives adequate quality...to a point. And that's perhaps where laziness comes in. Because we can get 'acceptable' out of the bag, we perhaps don't strive for 'optimum' as much as he HAD to do when DSLRs were in their infancy, |
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amazing50
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Eric wrote:
Because we can get 'acceptable' out of the bag, we perhaps don't strive for 'optimum' as much as he HAD to do when DSLRs were in their infancy,
The newer offerings give more than acceptable results in the right hands. http://www.argos.co.uk/beta/static/Product/partNumber/4874799.htm For 60 pounds these Coolpix cameras will give great B3 13x19 prints. |
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Iain
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Looks like the release date for the D500 has been put back till April. |
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Gilbert Sandberg
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Iain, re: release date for the D500 I have seen similar messages. On the plus side, one or more samples have arrived in Europe and are used to demonstrate at some delaer's locations. My first impressions: -more sturdy than the D300 -no internal flash -but to keep it vulnerable: a swing-screen (I admit it feels more sturdy than the ones on the D5nnn etc) Regards, Gilbert |
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Eric
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Iain wrote:Looks like the release date for the D500 has been put back till April. That's good......it will give my bank account time to recover from a new bathroom. |
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amazing50
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Went to a Nikon demo of the D5 & D500. Not drooling over ether one, but I was in a minority there. Lots of interest and pre-orders for both. |
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jk
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amazing50 wrote: Went to a Nikon demo of the D5 & D500.I can see some really nice features I like on the D500 such as it 21MP sensor. I dont want more than 24MP. My D800 is very detailed and really only of use for landscape or making billboard posters! The video part is wasted on me. I think that if I get any new Nikons then it will be a D750 and/or the D500. D5 is a lot of money for what it is. I dont need to use such heavyweight kit any more. |
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Robert
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I went to the Nikon NPS Roadshow at Manchester on Tuesday. Very impressed with the D500 and of course the D5. they had an array of lenses also the D7200 and the D610. Most lenses from 10.5 to 800 also the 200 f2, TC's and the new flashguns. The D500 felt much better when I had removed the motor drive - addon, yet the D5 felt completely natural. Although I have to admit my arms were hanging off hand holding the D5 with a 300 f2.8 trying to follow BIF, I am used to using a monopod for such tasks. Added bonus, Nikon technicians cleaned my D200 and D300s inside and out, also my 50-f1.4, they made a beautiful job of them I watched them for a while they were extremely thorough, especially inside, blowing out dust and cleaning every nook and cranny. In some cases they removed front and rear elements of lenses to clean them properly.  I took a family group pic of my D200 flanked by the D5 and D500.  |
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amazing50
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The 21mp sensor is great for most stills, unless you are using a 35mm lens for birding and have to crop a lot. The problem comes with the 4k video, which must be interpolated about 2.3x to get enough pixils for the format. |
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Robert
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To my mind if you are serious about 4K video you need a 4k video camera. |
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jk
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Robert wrote: To my mind if you are serious about 4K video you need a 4k video camera.I so agree. If you want a hammer then dont buy a screwdriver!! |
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amazing50
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Problem is that a good hammer costs over $10,000. |
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jk
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Mike there are some very cheap ferreteria (hardware) shops here in Spain. Can get you a good cheap hammer if you need one. Can you collect? |
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Robert
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amazing50 wrote:Problem is that a good hammer costs over $10,000. Which is why Nikon have shoehorned a makeshift hammer into the D5, for $7,000 but a swiss army knife was never a 100% success for everything, except the ability to do a bodge job in an emergency. That said, if you can work within the constraints then it can do a good job and they are used for proper movies in certain situations. |
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Iain
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A few of us may be going to the Photography show next month so will have a look at them there. |
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Graham Whistler
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Hi All! Am back after 6 weeks of knee joint replacement then 2nd op two weeks ago to correct healing problem now after 2 weeks of bed rest am up and learning to walk again. May pick up a camera in a week or two. Am very interested in a D5 thinking about it last 6 weeks has kept me going!!!! |
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jk
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Glad to see you back Graham. Hope that your new joints last you until the D7 comes out at least!!! D5 is heavy but that D500 looks very tempting especially with a 200-500 AFS VR attached. It will either be that or a Fuji XPro2 and 100-400 with x1.4 combo. Equivalent to a Nikon FF with 200-850mm attached. The Fujis are much lighter and sharpness is just as good but AF is slower :-( |
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Robert
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The D5 IS heavy, especially with a 300 f2.8 on it! My arms were aching after about a quarter of an hour trying to keep up with a flock of seagulls. Normally I would use a monopod though. Not a problem then, provided you can drive most of the way to the site. The D500 is lovely, really nice to use, it just falls into my grip, They had to prise my fingers off it when I had to leave!!! My D200 after it's sensor clean, posing with the D5 and D500. |
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Iain
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The D500 looks good to me but the problem is that since I got the D3 I don't want to put it down and feel a D4s nipping at my heals. |
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jk
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My D3 is great Iain but I also have the D3S which has all the bells and whistles that were missed from the D3. I am hoping to release the D3 this year so will get the D500 or D750 instead. I am thinking that a D500 might be a good option. |
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Robert
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Iain wrote:The D500 looks good to me but the problem is that since I got the D3 I don't want to put it down. Thats good to hear Iain, that's my expectation. |
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Iain
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I,m lucky in that my D3 has had the buffer upgrade. |
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Robert
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Buffer upgrade? What's wrong with the standard buffer? |
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jk
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Robert wrote:Buffer upgrade? What's wrong with the standard buffer?Nothing but having the extra buffer is useful for sports or wildlife if you like to machine gun your subject. I use it very occasionally on the D3S which comes with the extra buffer as standard. The D3S has a quiet mode as well which reduces the noise of the shutter and a sensor self clean. Like I say all the bells and whistles found in the latest releases of cameras. |
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Robert
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That doesn't sound like a problem then. Two or three quick exposures maybe but not more than that. Digital film maybe cheap but there is no need to waste it! |
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Iain
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The sensor self clean is a miss. I'm thinking of sending my D3 in for a service to get it as clean as possible. |
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Graham Whistler
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Had a long chat to Nikon NPS today told them my problems with the D810 and auto focus (for bird photography) with my new 500mm AF-S f4 and I was keen to get a D5. I now think with new info that the D500 will be the camera for me and will save me money too! The auto focus he told me is as fast and as good as the D5 as is the fast ISO quality. |
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Robert
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Graham, effectively the AF is much better on the D500 because the AF sensor array area almost covers the entire DX frame, whereas on the D5 it's pretty centralised because the AF sensor array area is the same size as the D500 but the frame area is bigger because it's FX. There are diagrams on the 'net which explain it but I am sure you get the picture! |
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jk
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I need to look carefully at the D500 but I want a facility that allows me to 'lock' the shutter speed and/or aperture like on my D3. I find on lesser cameras I tend to move the dials when shooting as I move my hand. I know the D800/810 has it in the menus. Does the D750 and/or D500? |
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Graham Whistler
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Very close to thinking I will get one. It will be ideal for bird photography with my 500mm f4 lens, the new auto focus will help a lot and with the D810 I find most of the time I have to crop so DX will be no problem! Have the left out the low pass filter? I hope so as it has been no problem with the D810 and far less unsharp masking in post production is only good news! |
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jk
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I found this a good read. http://chsvimg.nikon.com/lineup/microsite/d500/common/pdf/technology-digest.pdf |
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Robert
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I can't find mention of an AA filter on the D500 but all DSLR's need some sort of protective glass in front of the sensor. Otherwise the image suffers distortion and focus issues. The question is whether the glass is clear or not, dipped in acid to produce a very slightly rippled surface sufficient to prevent aliasing of repetitive lines in an image. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aliasing_filter There also of course needs to be a low pass filter which restricts the wavelengths of light able to reach the sensor to the visible range, filtering out anything below about 400nm or above 680-700nm. Otherwise you just get a blurred mess with focus shift and IR-UV contamination. My understanding with these higher resolution sensors is that the frequencies involved are less susceptible to the problem of aliasing in real life use but I think Nikon have recognised they need to be light handed in this department now, I doubt they would go back to the strength of filters used in the D200 for example. I think now this particular aspect of imaging design is better understood and better catered for. If there is some AA effect filter in the D500 I doubt it will be detrimental. There is a far greater mission to create the ultimate resolution image now rather than trying to minimise perceived issues which rarely existed. |
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Answer to Graham's question is .... There is no AA filter. http://petapixel.com/2016/01/09/i-shot-with-the-nikon-d500-here-are-my-thoughts/ "No Optical Low-Pass Filter Part of the reason for the fantastic image quality the D500 produces is a result of the sensor design. The D500 ditches the optical low-pass filter, which is a great decision for 99% of the photographers who will use this camera. Low-pass filters apply a minute level of blurring at the sensor level — the reason for them is to reduce moir© patterns, artifacts that can cause false color or false detail at the pixel level. The downside to low-pass filters is that in order to reduce moir© patterns in the rare instances they do appear in real-world shooting, they sacrifice the sharpest details 100% of the time. By leaving out the low-pass filter, the D500 is able to deliver extremely crisp detail and make the absolute most out of the 20mp sensor. This is the same decision that Nikon has made with the Nikon D810, which I think signals a favorable trend of really delivery maximum detail and clarity." |
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I was just idly sitting here wondering what the upgrade to the D500 will be called? We've already had a D600, D700 and D800.... so I guess it will be the D900 .......or something else entirely. On past performance it will be some years before I have that question answered.  |
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jk
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Or next year if the find a shutter problem like with the D600. Or they could call it a D400 to satisfy those who missed the D500. |
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Robert
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Eric wrote:I was just idly sitting here wondering what the upgrade to the D500 will be called? D510? That gives them another 9 bites of that cherry... After that 'The EU' will probably dictate product names. |
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jk
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Robert wrote: Eric wrote:You are allowed to opt out of any EU rules that you dont want to implement in your country. Unfortunately the UK government seems to not understand this part. |
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Robert wrote:Eric wrote: I have to say that I don't like the 510,520 approach to model numbering...it somehow lessens the new model, making it seem more like a fault correction release, like the 610! Don't get me started on the EU.  |
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jk
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They could go to a different naming convention e.g. FX1 and FX10 and DX1 and DX10. The X is for the neXt generation. |
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Eric
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jk wrote:They could go to a different naming convention e.g. FX1 and FX10 and DX1 and DX10. I could live with the old DX prefix...I wonder if they went away from that, so as not to confuse the DX v FX sensor size implications? Incidentally......the D750 has an AA filter! That may influence the decision in your D500 or D750 quandary. |
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Robert
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Eric wrote:I have to say that I don't like the 510,520 approach to model numbering...it somehow lessens the new model, making it seem more like a fault correction release, like the 610! Agreed but they dug themselves into a corner now. Eric wrote: Don't get me started on the EU. Now would I do that? We don't need to worry now anyway, that nice Mr Cameron has it all agreed... Everything will be rosy now. Not sure if we will get our pound shillings and pence back though. Feet and inches would be nice.   |
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Graham Whistler
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Answer to Graham's question is .... There is no AA filter. http://petapixel.com/2016/01/09/i-shot-with-the-nikon-d500-here-are-my-thoughts/ Thanks JK great news. I will now watch for a few reports and reviews. Also let the first batchs and high prices calm down a bit before I put my order in. |
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Graham so are you departing the FX for the DX land. That D810 will seem like yesterdays toys with a new D500 that also does 4K video. Please send D810 or keep for me as it means that I wont have to worry about anymore new cameras. After all what more can I need with D810 and D800? |
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Robert
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jk wrote:After all what more can I need with D810 and D800? D820? |
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The D500 seems to have a lot going for it especially with longer lenses. |
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Robert wrote:jk wrote: Only before 8:30 |
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Graham Whistler
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JK I will hang onto the D810 as it is a first class camera and I have a lot of FX Nikon Glass including w/a lenses. For landscape or studio work you can not fault it. The D500 will be just for my bird photography with lond lenses. |
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Eric
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Robert wrote:Eric wrote: It's those metric focal lengths that get me confused. Why can't they be in inches? |
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Graham Whistler wrote:JK I will hang onto the D810 as it is a first class camera and I have a lot of FX Nikon Glass including w/a lenses. For landscape or studio work you can not fault it. The D500 will be just for my bird photography with lond lenses. Have to agree. If I could wipe clean my 'camera body slate', without losing too much money, I think I would re-equip with a D810 and a D500. |
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I am still vascillating over a D810, D750, and D500. A 24MP is my preference but I also want a FX and 10pin connector. I think ultimately FX or DX is a distraction as the Fujis have proven so a D500 is probably my end goal, a D810 may be a second best solution. |
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amazing50
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The D500 has a ten pin connector. |
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jk
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amazing50 wrote:The D500 has a ten pin connector.Yes but it is DX but all my glass is FX so logically I should stay there but I do feel the D500 might be a better choice. I need to get the D500 user manual to see some of the detail or get a hands on with the camera. |
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Robert
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In reality using FX glass on DX isn't 'bad' except at the wide end when you either need a Sigma 10-20 or some other means of going wide. Yearn for the day my 20-2.8 becomes 20 rather than having the field of view of a 30. If you retain an FX body then presumably when you leave home you know whether you are going to need wide or long? You could think of the D500 as being a sophisticated X1.5 tele-converter? But a whole lot more! The other advantage of using FX glass on a DX camera is you are using the sweet part of the image circle. No vignetting, little edge curvature or sharpness fall of. |
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Graham Whistler
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I agree about hands on and will go to my local camera shop with 500mm lens and a fact SD card. |
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Iain
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jk wrote:
If the D500 can produce images as good as the Fuji's can it will be get one if you can as everyone will want one. |
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jk
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If anyone can get a D500 hands on then if they can check if there is a facility similar to the D3, D4, D800 and D810 that enables you to lock the command and/or sub-command dials, then I would be most grateful. Alternatively if anyone finds a download of the D500 user manual please can you alert me. |
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amazing50
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Sigma has an 8-16 mm DX and Tameron a 16-300 DX. I have both and they make a great travel kit with my D5300. |
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Robert
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I didn't notice JK, how does the D3 lock the command dials? There are plenty high def images of the D500, can you see at locking button or whatever similar to the D3? I do seem to remember the command dials seemed very positive, much more so then the D200/D300 when it latched into each click. I have had my D200's since new but they never felt as positive as the D500 I handled. |
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jk
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The dials turn but dont change the value if you have the lock set. On the D3/D3S you push the L button top plate left side and turn the command dial and it locks shutter speed same with sub-command dial but it locks the aperture. In D800/D810 you set it via a menu item or reconfigure a fn button to act as an L button. This feature is very useful when shooting in Manual exposure mode as well as you get no changes if your hand slips onto the dials when changing cameras. I cant see the menu offerings for the D500 hence the need for the manual. |
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amazing50 wrote:Sigma has an 8-16 mm DX and Tameron a 16-300 DX. I have both and they make a great travel kit with my D5300. I have the Sigma FF 12-24 HSM len so I can use on my D3 cameras for superwide shots. Little soft at the edges but who cares! It will work fine on DX as well. |
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jk wrote:If anyone can get a D500 hands on then if they can check if there is a facility similar to the D3, D4, D800 and D810 that enables you to lock the command and/or sub-command dials, then I would be most grateful. Don't think it has that feature...the D750 hasn't got it. I confess I missed that feature on Thursday. I was shooting a kitchen for a client (one of the last 3 before I retire) and I noticed halfway through my fingers had shifter the aperture.  Fortunately redid the shooting positions and carried on. However I did shift it inadvertently once more later on.....but I was watching for it this time.  |
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jk wrote:If anyone can get a D500 hands on then if they can check if there is a facility similar to the D3, D4, D800 and D810 that enables you to lock the command and/or sub-command dials, then I would be most grateful. Don't think it has that feature...the D750 hasn't got it. I confess I missed that feature on Thursday. I was shooting a kitchen for a client (one of the last 3 before I retire) and I noticed halfway through my fingers had shifter the aperture. Fortunately redid the shooting positions and carried on. However I did shift it inadvertently once more later on.....but I was watching for it this time. |
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Eric wrote: jk wrote:I do that all the time when I shoot with the D600 as it doesnt have the locks. It is something that seems really trivial but is a real boon. |
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Isnt it nice to have old friends in a good place.  Just phoned Nikon UK and spoke to my friend in the NPS group. Yes the D500 has the feature I want. So Yes you can lock the shutter speed and/or aperture values by pushing on Preview button and then turning the command dial or sub-command dial. Well done Nikon NPS. I will go and place my order for a D500. However I will have to wait for late April until it is released. |
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Robert
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That's good news JK, I spent quite a bit of time trying to discover if the command dials on the D500 locked in the way you asked but couldn't find an answer. This also reinforces my opinion that the D500 is a baby D5 with many of the pro features from the D5 embedded in it's design. It's NOT an upgraded D300, definitely. It feel different and feels much more like the D5 but without the size/weight of the D5. When I first handled the D500 it had it's battery extension, motor drive unit fitted, once that was removed it transformed into a very nice handling camera. I know I want a D3 rather than a D700 but my needs are specific, I want the mass and stability of the D3, it will mainly used on a heavy tripod or a monopod, so weight isn't such an issue. |
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Graham Whistler
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Shame I hoped we would see them in UK March we will just have to wait. I will get mine when they arrive!!! |
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Eric
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jk wrote:Isnt it nice to have old friends in a good place. Hmm...wonder why they didn't add that to the D750? |
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Graham Whistler
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I have ordered my D500 today and paid deposit so should have in first batch Arpil. |
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Robert
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Well done Graham, I don't think you will be disappointed. Be sure to tell us all about it! Despite having handled and made exposures with a D500, using lenses from 16mm fisheye to 300 f2.8, I really can't tell much about it, except it felt right and was very nice to use. Having left home at 5am and driven to Manchester and finished my journey by tram and on foot then to be confronted with a battery of bodies and lenses many of which I have never handled before I was like kiddie in sweet shop! I couldn't take it all in. The D5 was also exceptional and took much of my attention. |
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Another retired prof photographer in our local camera club also has a D810 and D3s will get a D500. We both think that the D810 and D500 should cover all our needs! We both have plenty of hi end Nikon FX glass but I have no DX lenses so may also get a Nikon DX 18-140 AF-S for the D500 have any of you got any gen on this lens? In D300 days I was well pleased with the 18-200 AF-S DX but it was a little too large and heavy. |
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Graham Whistler wrote: Another retired prof photographer in our local camera club also has a D810 and D3s will get a D500. We both think that the D810 and D500 should cover all our needs! I agree that a D800/810 with D500 is a ideal pairing. The nikon DX glass is not as good as the FX glass and the DX range is very limited. It seems that the best solution is to keep a limited number of FX lenses and use these on the DX cameras. This is certainly my intention. I dont aim to buy any more Nikon glass except for the Nikon 200-500 AFS then I can probably retire the Nikon 400mm f2.8 AFS as putting the 200-500 on the D500 gives me the same range as my D3S with 400mm f2.8 with X2 converter. |
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jk wrote: Isnt it nice to have old friends in a good place.And just to prove it here is the latest set of menu screen shots from DP Review. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0467323998/cp-2016-features-you-need-to-know-about-on-the-nikon-d5-d500 This is the important one for me. Attachment: D500-Fn1_and_dial.jpeg (Downloaded 26 times) |
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jk wrote:jk wrote:Isnt it nice to have old friends in a good place.And just to prove it here is the latest set of menu screen shots from DP Review. Like I said, annoying it's been missed off the D750. It's menu has the ...choose image area and 1step settings.....but not the lock in between.  |
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jk
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Yes I agree. It is potentially an item that could be added, I guess. |
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Gilbert Sandberg
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JK, re: D500 user manual Ususlly, the user manuals are put online, together with the first deliveries of a new camera. So, you may have to wait one or two months. Regards, Gilbert |
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jk
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Yes that is true, Gilbert. But I have found out the information I needed about camera. |
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Eric
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jk wrote:Yes I agree. It is potentially an item that could be added, I guess. Ive also discovered a bug in the fn button configuration....it doesn't allow the horizon display as an assigned setting despite being a menu option. It will be interesting if they do update the controls section of the custom menu...and add the lock feature. |
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Eric wrote:jk wrote: Have you reported it to Nikon UK? Have they agreed that it is a bug? |
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jk wrote:Eric wrote: No. The feature is of no use to me, I was just trying everything on the fn list to see if I could find the lock settings. |
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jk
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Has anyone had any information as to when deliveries of the D500 will be made in UK? AFAIK the deliver date is now late April. I have an order in with Amazon UK but it will be fulfilled out of Amazon EU so it comes to my door as soon as they have stock. |
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Graham Whistler
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I have ordered mine from LCE Southampton but they said mid to late April but could be longer and no idea how many they will get in first batch. As I got my D810 and Nikon 500mm lens I hope they may be kind to me! |
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jk
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Thanks Graham. I can wait until end of April. If I see the D500 is available earlier elsewhere then if Amazon dont fulfill then I can cancel up to point of dispatch when they charge my card. |
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Graham Whistler
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I think the good news is the major photo show in Birmingham NEC is not till 19-22 March with big launch with both new Nikons and orders will flood in then. Hence got my order in now¬¬¬ |
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jk
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Does anyone have a D500 NEF that they can share with me for my RAW software testing? If you do then please PM me. Thanks |
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Graham Whistler
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Sorry no NEFs yet but an other local photographer friend had hands on with one last Monday and said it is lighting fast compared with any SLR he has ever seen. Like me he also has one on order. |
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jk
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Oh well. Never mind it is due for release on 21st April. Not long now! |
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Gilbert Sandberg
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JK, Some consolation: the PDF D5 manuals have appeared, some 650+ pages to keep you entertained. Regards, Gilbert |
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Graham Whistler
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Gilbert it is interesting that most of the postings are on the D500 with far less interest in the D5? I have just purchased a Lexar Pro 32GB XQD 2.0 2933x card with Speed 440MB/s ready for my D500. These very fast cards now down a lot in price, this cost me with card reader just under £100. |
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Gilbert Sandberg
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Graham, re: D500 not D5 This topic is about the D500, I have held a sample, but sofar none have been delivered. re: now down a lot in price I agree, here in Holland that came with the advent of the Sony G series, and a retailer setting a very interesting price (although holders of any amount of stock may have thought otherwise). E.g. a sony 32-G-type retails for something like Euro 200 including VAT. Regards, Gilbert |
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Graham Whistler wrote: Gilbert it is interesting that most of the postings are on the D500 with far less interest in the D5? I have just purchased a Lexar Pro 32GB XQD 2.0 2933x card with Speed 440MB/s ready for my D500. These very fast cards now down a lot in price, this cost me with card reader just under £100. Graham, I was looking at getting one of these cards Lexar Pro 32GB XQD 2.0 2933x (440MB/s) card like you have but I have read that they dont work (or not very well) and you need to use the Lexar Pro 32GB XQD 2.0 1400x (210MB/s) which is a slower card. It might be worthwhile checking with Nikon NPS about this. I am waiting to get my D500 in my hand before I get an XQD card, I have purchased 2x32GB Sandisk Extreme (90MB/s) SD cards. However undoubtedly XQD is the card to get if you want to do video and also fast sports action. |
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Ralph G Speer
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JK - I have a pair of Sony 64GB M Series Memory Cards and they are running very well. I have the D5 with 2 Slots and either single slot performs well as well as using double slots. The cost is $96 america each. Much faster taking & down loading. The D5 is 2 Weeks old and I like it more than the D4 & D4s. Will put a few pictures up when I figure out how to do it. RGS |
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Ralph G Speer wrote:JK - I have a pair of Sony 64GB M Series Memory Cards and they are running very well. I have the D5 with 2 Slots and either single slot performs well as well as using double slots. The cost is $96 america each. Much faster taking & down loading. Ralph, I dont want a D5 as I prefer a smaller camera these days. Learning from my experiences with the D3, D700 and D300, I am thinking that I will wait to see if a D700 replacement is released e.g. a D900/770/710 or whatever |
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Graham Whistler
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JK: I was looking at getting one of these cards Lexar Pro 32GB XQD 2.0 2933x (440MB/s) card like you have but I have read that they dont work (or not very well) and you need to use the Lexar Pro 32GB XQD 2.0 1400x (210MB/s) which is a slower card. It might be worthwhile checking with Nikon NPS about this. JK thanks for that I did ask Nikon NPS in London and they told me this was the quickest and would work well in the D5 or D500. |
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Eric
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Can I ask a numptie question...... What's wrong with the existing card speeds? I've shot 9frame/sec bursts on the D3 and 15 sequential shots on the D750 and shot videos on the D750 using traditional (eg extreme pro) cards and not noticed any negative impact. What am I missing? |
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Graham Whistler wrote:JK: I was looking at getting one of these cards Lexar Pro 32GB XQD 2.0 2933x (440MB/s) card like you have but I have read that they dont work (or not very well) and you need to use the Lexar Pro 32GB XQD 2.0 1400x (210MB/s) which is a slower card. Thanks Graham. I shall look to get one of those cards then as it future proofs me. |
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jk
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Eric wrote:Can I ask a numptie question...... Highest possible write rate will be required for the 4K video. Not that I will use it! But also it allows large bursts of RAW shots. |
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Ralph G Speer
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New Sony Card. Read 440 mb/s Write 150 mb/s 64 GB $96.00 US It sure works great. RS |
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jk
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Thanks Ralph. I wish I could get on here in Uk/Spain that cheap. Best price is >£100 |
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Ralph G Speer
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Check B&H - New York City - on your machine and see what shipping cost is. It may work out to be less. It's the new M Series Card and for me - makes my machine smoke. RS |
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Robert
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Eric wrote:Can I ask a numptie question...... Not numptie but the D5 files are much bigger/fatter and at full speed saving to two cards and long bursts up to 100 frames slower cards run out of steam. That's even without 4K Video. You could argue that you won't use the large file sizes and never at full speed and would never contemplate filling the buffer with 100 images (less than 10 seconds) but in that case why bother with the D5... The D3 is much lower investment and you know what? It takes pretty good photographs. Just so my D200 doesn't get uppity; the D200 takes pretty good photographs too!!! |
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Graham Whistler
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I'm off to France for a few days but am told my D500 will be here when I get back. Watch this space!!! |
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jk
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Graham Whistler wrote: I'm off to France for a few days but am told my D500 will be here when I get back. Watch this space!!!What date have you been told for delivery Graham. I still watching my Amazon order as to when it will be dispatched. It is rumoured that 21st April is the day of release. So hopefully I will get for next weekend or just after. |
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Graham Whistler
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I think it will be the last week in this month but no date given. I am back from France on 24th so will keep you informed! |
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amazing50
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The manual is now available at http://downloadcenter.nikonimglib.com/en/products/323/D500.html |
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jk
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Thanks Mike. I have been looking for that recently but havent looked in the last few days. |
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jk
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Now to wait for the camera that hould be released today 21st April. Will Amazon.de be able to ship to me sooner than from a UK supplier? Vorsprung der technik? Only time will tell. |
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Robert
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Patience JK, patience! A few days won't matter, I waited ten years for the D3. |
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jk
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Yes indeed. I can wait for tihis a few more days/weeks. In fact I wonder if Nikon wont release the D900 in September which will be the D700 replacement. That would suit me very well. 21-24MP with all the latest generation electronics and FX. |
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Graham Whistler
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Yes we may get news today!!! |
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jk
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Well my Nikon 200-500 arrived today. It is actually very compact for the focal length of the lens. I will need to give a test later today or Thursday. |
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amazing50
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The D500 with the 200-500 should be a a great match. |
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jk
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Graham, have you received your D500 yet? I am still awaiting mine. :-( |
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Graham Whistler
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No messages have just checked I'm away in Dedham, East Anglia this week so will not be back till next Tuesday. |
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jk
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I spoke to my friends at Fixation. There is a large queue for the cameras and supplies are very short. They only got 15 in the first batch. They are part of the WEX group now. WEX has a massive backlog of unfulfilled D500 cameras on their books. |
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Graham Whistler
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I have ordered mine from London Camera Exchange in Southampton no doubt they have same problem. I have another friend who has order with Wex he is also waiting! |
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jk
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Looks like my D500 will be on its way soon. I had a conversation with Amazon about it and it is showing that it will be dispatched on Monday they just need to contact me on Monday to confirm which address to send it UK or Spain. So I will find out more on Monday. |
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Iain
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Looking forward to hearing your opinion on it JK. |
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jk
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I been testing the Amazon process. Seems like they do allocations from different pools. If I order in UK then it is saying that they could fulfill today in UK but not until mid-June in Europe. I want the camera delivered to me in Spain so this is a less than ideal situation. |
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Robert
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Gazing into my crystal ball I can see an aeroplane flying to UK, perhaps I need a new crystal ball? |
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jk
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Robert wrote: Gazing into my crystal ball I can see an aeroplane flying to UK, perhaps I need a new crystal ball?They fly every day. So yes that is a possible option but adds a lot of cost to the delivery.Actually while I am convinced I could use a D500 now to replace my D300S I am even more interested in a D900 (D500 but FX) which I am told is coming end of this year. Given the either/or situation I would rather have a D900 but in reality since I have a D600 and D800 then D500 is the better option for me at this point in time. A D750 is a very tempting option but I know that I will be disappointed that it is not a significantly better camera than my D600. |
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Graham Whistler
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Back from E Anglia and still no news on any front apart from tales still of very low first delivery of cameras! |
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jk
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I am sure that Nikon are fulfilling the USA demand preferentially. There are a few D500 out in Europe but not many. Hopefully the second batch will allow us in Europe to be supplied but I fear that they will be too late for my trip this summer. |
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Graham Whistler
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LCE told me today my D500 should be with me later this week as another small batch is due. |
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Graham Whistler
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Collecting my D500 from LCE in Southampton tomorrow morning. My friend in Camera Club also getting his from Wex, so small 2nd batch now in UK but plenty of outstanding orders still. Mother duck with her new ducklings taken D810 with the 80-400mm lens. Still very pleased with results from it and hope it will work even better on D500! Attachment: Ducks2895.jpg (Downloaded 15 times) |
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I think that Nikon have handled the launch supplies of the D500 very poorly. Most manufacturers try to build launch stocks so that preorders can be fulfilled nearly immediately. Since there was no D400 they should have assumed that the demand for the D500 would be very high (which apparently it is) and so built up large launch stock. The D5 stocks are fairly plentiful apparently so you can go and get one off the shelf! Going to wait for the D700 replacement ?D900?. |
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Graham Whistler
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See D500 New Today! |
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Eric
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jk wrote:I think that Nikon have handled the launch supplies of the D500 very poorly. Most manufacturers try to build launch stocks so that preorders can be fulfilled nearly immediately. Not sure why you are surprised JK? Every digital Nikon I've bought at launch was on short supply or on back order. The D5 has had its first flush...it won't be long before D500s are on the shelves as well. While you are waiting...would you delete the above blank post. Got so excited I hit post before typing. |
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All blank posts are gone Eric. I havent really desired a new camera at launch since the D3 and now the D500. I got the D300 and D600 about 6 months after launch. I had a D2x and D200 on first day release along with others. Maybe sales dynamics have changed but in reality it is about good market and sales planning that feeds into manufacturing to make sure that launch stocks are adequate. Never mind money is ready and every month wait is no problem in itself for me as I have many quality cameras that I can use. |
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