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Eric
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We were swamping Iain's metadata thread with discussions on the D750, so I've started a new thread. Having received the Lexar card this morning I took time out to refamilarise myself with the D750. Jonathan....It doesn't have an aperture/shutter lock....or I couldn't find it! Running a continuous high speed burst, the card records 15 shots before gulping. ( That's 14bit raw files at both fast and slow shutter speeds.) it cleared all the file writing within 5secs. I used the 24-70 for this exercise and discovered a slight negative. The D750 is very light ( similar to D7200) and despite having a really excellent deep grip, I felt the camera was too light for the lens. It's out of balance and counters some of the comfort in the hand. I should have anticipated this, after all these years. The bottom grip makes a lot a difference to the balance of a camera and maybe I need one for this body if using pro lenses?  |
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jk
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So that is much like the D3 in its behaviour. Hmmm interesting about the balance of the D750. |
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Eric
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jk wrote:So that is much like the D3 in its behaviour. I think this is true of all bodies without the bottom battery grip. They are top heavy when you add anything other than a plastic lens. This imbalance is felt in the hand/wrist. It's convinced me that I either need to get the grip for it or stick to prosumer lenses. |
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Robert
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I think this is probably more of an issue for people who are regular/heavy users of the large D# bodies, I tend to look on the D200 as a container for the sensor to clip on the back of whatever lens I am using and tend to carry and handle the lens rather than the body when it's a heavy lens like the 80-200 or the 300 f2.8. That said, my old trombone 80-200 has no tripod bush so the relatively heavy lens is hanging off the mount.  |
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jk
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Eric wrote:jk wrote: I dont think that you really want to compromise the lens quality otherwise you end up with more CA and distortions. |
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Eric
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Robert wrote:I think this is probably more of an issue for people who are regular/heavy users of the large D# bodies, I tend to look on the D200 as a container for the sensor to clip on the back of whatever lens I am using and tend to carry and handle the lens rather than the body when it's a heavy lens like the 80-200 or the 300 f2.8. That's true for longer lenses but I was using the 24-70. Even the 17-35 feels imbalanced. If you put either of these lenses on a D3 it sits on the camera base. Put them on the D750 and the body tips forward to rest on the lens. It's this forward out of balance that imparts rotation around the handgrip in use. It may be small but I feel this instability. Putting a battery grip on the bottom may restore that balance. |
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Iain
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I have the same with the D7200 and D610 I have put a grip on both for better balance with heavy lens. |
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Iain
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I've just done the same test as Eric with the D7200, I got 14 raw then hit the buffer and 5secs to clear the buffer. |
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Eric
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I think my concern about the buffering was probably me, misreading the issue. When I 'experienced' this problem I was shooting indoors in low light, using long exposures ....bracketing! It now occurs to me that the time to shoot some of the long bracketed frames was probably disguising the time to buffer. Or at lest confusing me. Lol 15frames on the run is good enough for me. |
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jk
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All my cameraS seem lightweight when I attach the 400mm f2.8 AFS to any one of them. I am now in the D3X v. D750 v. D810 debate with myself. Unfortunately a second hand D3X costs more than a new D750 and battery grip. |
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Eric
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jk wrote:All my cameraS seem lightweight when I attach the 400mm f2.8 AFS to any one of them. Not sure why you are lusting after a D3X? Surely a D810 outperforms that? |
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jk
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I want 24MP not 36MP. My D800 is just too detailed and the images are too large. However I do love the controls and layout of the D3 and D3S but at 12MP they occasionaly leave me with grainy image if I crop severely. This of course is not a problem on my D800. My D600 the AF is not great in low light compared to D3/D3S/D800 as it has a slower AF unit. |
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Gilbert Sandberg
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Eric, re: 24-70. Even the 17-35... That proves the point, those lenses are pro grade, and the D750 is not. Those lenses have a basic design for pros, aimed at ruggedness and quality, regardless of weight and price. Regards, Gilbert |
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Eric
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Gilbert Sandberg wrote:Eric, I am sure you are right, Gilbert. However, the D750, though not as robust and rugged, still delivers pro quality images with the right glass. Maybe it's more of a candidate for primes rather than zooms to keep the in use lens weight lighter without compromising IQ? |
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Gilbert Sandberg
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Eric, re: candidate for primes You have a point there, especially considering the recent wide angle FX primes by Nikon (e.g. 35 24 and 20mm) Regards, Gilbert |
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jk
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I dont understand the desire for fast primes. I would never use a 24mm f1.4 lens wide open even assuming it was distortion free. What it does get you is a wide angle lens that focusses almost instantly which is good. All my wideangle primes are f2.8 i am very happy with their speed of focus. I dont need to reduce DOF to a sliver when I use a wideangle. Maybe I am missing something. Please do not educate me as I dont want to buy any more lenses except either the Nikon 200-500 or the Fuji 100-400. I still need to decide if the Fujis are my long term strategy or a solution to some issues that the Nikons cant provide a solution to currently in a DSLR. I want a WYSIWYG viewfinder which is obviously impossible with OVF but very possible with EVF. But a hybrid OVF/EVF like in the Fujis does provide this and with the option to show the veiwfinder with or without exposure adjustment. No using the TFT on the DSLR back in LiveView mode is not a solution (but a nightmare)  |
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Eric
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jk wrote:I dont understand the desire for fast primes. I would never use a 24mm f1.4 lens wide open even assuming it was distortion free. I don't see the point in 1.anything in a wide angle. I wouldn't buy one, because to me, they are unnecessary, expensive and add more weight...the very thing I am trying to reduce. The further up the focal length scale, the more the arguement for 1.something becomes valid. Personally I avoid using any lens wide open, preferring 1stop down. Maybe I've been unlucky, but every lens I have bought is sharper and more distortion free if I do this. My only critique with primes, is that while changing lenses you can miss the shot. The IQ may not be as good on a zoom, but a less than perfect photo is often better than no photo at all. |
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Eric
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More and more I am favouring the Fuji for walking around photography and just equipping the Nikon for structured photo sessions with key primes. I feel a zoom sale coming on. Lol |
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Iain
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Eric wrote:More and more I am favouring the Fuji for walking around photography and just equipping the Nikon for structured photo sessions with key primes. I've tried the light weight thing but i'm not happy I seem to be going back to the heaver stuff. Time for the gym I think.  |
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Eric
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Iain wrote:Eric wrote: It's not the handling...it's the toting. I got sick and tired of lugging a Nikon kit and IR kit around foreign locations....and only using it casually. After 20+ years pro shooting I just want to stop 'performing'. I don't know if other pros feel the pressure of 'getting the results' every time but I am enjoying just capturing a location or event without the need to please third parties...for the moment. Whether I will recapture the pursuit of perfect images again, for myself, remains to be seen. For the moment I am content getting acceptable shots from acceptable equipment that doesn't tax muscles or wallet. :thumbsup: |
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Robert
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Well said Eric, want a D200? |
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Eric
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Robert wrote:Well said Eric, want a D200? Not sick of IR already, Robert. Go on then send it down...the 17-35 is pining. |
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jk
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I think over time we become lazy or less accepting to the notion of carrying large amounts of heavy equipment that allows us to capture that perfect picture or moment. Either we decide to accept a lesser quality or a compromised shot or we carry on lugging the heavy kit around until it is too heavy to do any more. I definite feel more at ease taking images with my Nikon kit but it heavier weight drives me to use the Fuji stuff more and more. If I am shooting a must capture event or picture then I will reach for the Nikon know I will have captured it in one or two shots. The same can be true with the Fuji kit but as yet it is still not second nature for me. But I do prefer its smaller size and reduced weight. |
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Robert
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Eric wrote:Robert wrote: No, no, the normal one!!! Love my IR D200, just need some time and weather for IR. I have the location... |
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Eric
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jk wrote:I think over time we become lazy or less accepting to the notion of carrying large amounts of heavy equipment that allows us to capture that perfect picture or moment. In my case, photography has sadly lost a little of its charm. When it becomes a chore, you notice a little more, the inumberance of lugging around something unnecessary. It's not a physical strength thing, it's a "is this really necessary" feeling. Your comment on the Fuji is well made. The main players have evolved an ergonomic design in their camera bodies which, having grown with it, we find instinctive in use. I find the Fuji isn't quite in that league or maybe, the frequency of my using it has been insufficient to feel 100% at home with it? For that reason, despite its greater portability and almost unnoticeable presence on the shoulder, I find myself loathed to part with the more familiar Nikon gear. The D750 to me, is more comfortable in the hand than the Fuji. But the lens size and weight tip the balance...literally. I suspect the answer is to revive my enthusiasm for photography and then the equipment feel won't matter so much. Back to the new bathroom installation! |
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jk
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I agree Eric. Just been supervising the builders here for the last three weeks, only one more week and it should be finished. |
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jk
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Eric wrote:
I think we all get distracted by other 'more important' events in our lives. I feel that my photography is somewhat at a standstill at times but then I find a new project or idea to photograph and enjoy. I actually think that I need to belong to a collective or commune and be forced to sell my stuff to make me more productive. I wish there were more farmers markets, artists shops, etc, here in Spain where I could go meet other people and artists and chat, learn and stimulate myself for new projects. |
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TomOC
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jk wrote:I think over time we become lazy or less accepting to the notion of carrying large amounts of heavy equipment that allows us to capture that perfect picture or moment. I agree for the most part. I'm finding I only use the D3 or D800 with really long lenses, in studio setting or when I'm already lugging a tripod. Like JK, my familiarity with them is now a matter of muscle memory - one of the great things that Nikon has done over the years was to make it simple to move from one Nikon to another and not lose your way (Fuji needs to learn this). I've taken a little more to the X-T1 but still think the ideal form factor is the X-pro and I'm really waiting for the xp2 in a big way. My most used camera by far in the last couple of months is the x100T, which I consider to be the all time street camera. tom |
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Eric
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TomOC wrote:jk wrote: As always Tom, you have caused me to consider a different line of thinking. We, or at least I, have been talking about minimising weight and considering dumping my pro zooms for primes... for a better balanced D750 in the hand. Now here's the rub.... The X100T weighs 445g delivering a fixed 35mm focal lens equivalent. A 35mm Nikkor lens ALONE weighs 305g before adding the 700g body! So if one were striving for minimum weight then multiple fixed body cameras like the X100T but with different focal length lenses, could be another option. I am curious as to why you consider the Xpro ideal, Tom. In what way does it trump the XT? I missed getting the XPro ( I did hold one but felt it more awkward in the hand than the XT) and wonder what it does better? |
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jk
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TomOC wrote: I agree that whilst the others work well that the 'feel' of the X-Pro1 seems to be best. |
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Eric
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jk wrote:TomOC wrote:I agree that whilst the others work well that the 'feel' of the X-Pro1 seems to be best. In what way? I felt the XPro didn't have as good a grip as the XT ...smaller. The only advantage I see over the XT is the optical viewfinder. Fuji haven't mastered the EVF clarity that other manufacturers have. What am I missing in the Xpro? |
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jk
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The X-Pro1 is slightly larger and feels as though it was designed to European hands rather than little Japanese one. The XT1 is very nice but the camera is just a little too small and I frequently hit the f2 button as it is poorly located for my size of hands. I seldom use the optical finder in the Xpro1. |
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amazing50
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Big game hunters employ gun bearers Golfers employ caddies Why not employ a camera bearer? |
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Eric
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amazing50 wrote:Big game hunters employ gun bearers I did ask the wife She told me where to store my 500mm lens. |
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