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Eric
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I am about to offload my D3 and D7000 along with some duplicate or unused lenses. I want to replace them with one body. But not sure which one. For the moment I have the Fuji system for walk around holiday use (although the jury is still out on this type of camera) so the primary use for the new body would be wildlife, sporting events, landscape and maybe some commercial work if it comes along this year. I am leaning towards either the D750 or the D810, but without a direct real life comparison I am unsure which to choose. Historically, bigger pixels have been better. So are the images from the D750 better than the D810? Does the D810 take the lead position when doing large prints or cropping harder? I sort of get the feeling that the more precise technique required to max the D810 potential might cancel the advantage. Thoughts? discussion? |
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jk
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There is also the D610 if you dont want the video twizzles of the D750 but I think I would go for the D750. The D810 is a slightly improved D800 with some nice extras. But will you use the extra MP and features. For landscape the 36MP will give great detail so might be a winner. The Fuji is equivalent to a 20MP Nikon if it existed, in other words it is the equal IQ wise to a D4 (approximately from my tests). The Fuji is the equal of the D3 but not asgood as the D600. |
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amazing50
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Of the current Nikon offerings my vote would be for the D750. Preronally I'm wating for a while to see what happens now that Canon has jumped to 50mp and there are some interesting fullfrane mirrorless advances. |
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Eric
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amazing50 wrote:Of the current Nikon offerings my vote would be for the D750. I am leaning towards the 750. It's very strange....after not using any camera for a few weeks, I picked up the D7000 and Fuji XT in quick succession. I have to say that the D7000 felt better in the hand despite being heavier...and the Fuji electronic viewfinder under artificial light was scarily yellow and muddy. In contrast, the D7000 was like "coming home". I have been pleased with the Fuji results but I do feel the size causes me to hold the camera in a less intuitive, less comfortable manner. If this is the way for all mirrorless models I am starting to think the DSLR feel is better for me. |
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jk
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I think the D750 is a very good mix of functionality and with 24MP it provides ability to crop out and still have a good quality image. Eric you can bring/send XT1 to me in Spain. I will use, or swap for my XE2.  |
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amazing50
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Eric wrote: I find the same thing with my kit. The smaller cameras just don't sit right in my hands. |
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TomOC
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Eric- As often the case, my opinion is the minority. I would go with the 810. I believe that increasingly we will leave the heavy glass on the shelf...but when we want to use it, it will likely be in situations where we will want absolute max IQ and so far nothing beats the 800 series in that department. As to the XT-1. I am not a huge fan...a mini DSLR is not what I want from Fuji (though it is great to have an lcd back that articulates). It just doesn't feel right. What you REALLY want is an X-pro 2... Nothing feels as good in the hand as the XP1...it just isn't quite up to the tech advances in the x100 or XE2...but the xp2 will be. D800 or D810 and Fuji x100T and XP2 rule !!!!! I still use the x100 (now T) more than all other setups I own...it is just so great to have a camera that fits in your pocket. Doesn't even need a neckstrap (use wrist strap mostly). Shoots with 1/2000 sync with flash, has built in ND filters...etc etc. Yes, fixed lens means you need to think more and move about more but that's a good thing. Tom |
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Eric
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TomOC wrote:Eric- Thanks Tom As always, your reasoning is compelling. Need to feel an XP before I can comment on it as the ultimate Fuji alternative. |
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jk
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I agree with Tom that the XPro1 has the best 'feel' but it is lacking some of the more advanced features found in the XE2 and XT1. Maybe the XPro2 will be an XT1 in an XPro1 body but for me the only real problem with the Fujis is the AF performance and the EVF performance in low light with fast action. The OVF is not something I use very much. |
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amazing50
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As much as I like Optical View Finders, some of the better electronic ones have some interesting features. Got to use a Sony a7S on the weekend and it's electronic viewfinder preformed well. Was able to display a horizontal line and various info not available on an OVF. |
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jk
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Mike did you manage to test the Sony EVF in low light with fast movement? |
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Graham Whistler
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A bit late in on this but needless to say I also think the D810 must be the right choice for you Eric! Having said that since I am no longer a working professional I find my little Sony RX10 is light and with me most of the time and produces images well up to scratch in terms of an exhibition quality A3 print in the monthly print comp at the local camera club. Yesterday the RPS DI group selected an image from same Sony for this years major print exhibition and rejected 2 others shot on my D810. Nothing to do with quality but all about content. |
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amazing50
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jk wrote:Mike did you manage to test the Sony EVF in low light with fast movement? Was in the 46th floor of the Hilton overlooking a partly frozen Niagra Falls. Were no problems noted except dirty windows. The fastest movement was money flowing from wallets into the casino slot machines. |
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amazing50
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Seriously the Sony a7S preformed well and some of the aps gave results that are next to impossible with most cameras. You can download and install aps for various functions (timelapse) just like on a tablet or smartphone. Lets the user customize the camera without having all kinds of stuff cloging up the minues with things you'll never need. |
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TomOC
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jk wrote:I agree with Tom that the XPro1 has the best 'feel' but it is lacking some of the more advanced features found in the XE2 and XT1. Agree on focus, but x100T is pretty close to perfect. OVF is how you see the VR in color  . I have my EVF set to BWTom |
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jk
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amazing50 wrote: jk wrote: Got to say that Sony produce some very nice kit but it has a very short lifetime as they make models redundant all the time rather than improving a current model, unlike Fuji. I prefer the Fuji method but I do wish for faster release of lenses and a 24MP camera with fast Af performance. I love my X100. I wish I could justify a X100T to myself. Unfortunately I am just about to splash on a RV/motorhome/camper van. |
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amazing50
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How many tanks of fuel will a motorhome get for the price of an X100T? |
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jk
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10 ish! 5000km if I am careful. |
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amazing50
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5000km would take me to Vancover BC and the ocean, but then there is the return trip. |
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jk
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No go south it is warmer. Follow the coast to San Francisco. I dont think we are helping Eric in his choice! I really cant decide if the D7100 is the D400 in disguise. If I was to purchase a new Nikon I would be hard pressed to choose one but the D7100 is currently the DX flagship but in the FX cameras the choice is more difficult. I think the D4S is large and heavy but well built. The D810 is a good camera but too many MP. The D750 may be the sweetspot FX camera but I havent seen one and the D610 seems to be similar but lacking some of the advanced features so it looks like the D750 is the best option. It really is horse for courses! |
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amazing50
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Quite possibly a D7200 on the horizon. http://nikonrumors.com/2015/02/27/reminder-possible-nikon-d7200-j5-and-coolpix-cameras-announcement-next-week.aspx/ |
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Iain
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amazing50 wrote:Quite possibly a D7200 on the horizon.Closer than you thought it appears. |
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jk
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More info on the D7200 announced today can be found here. http://www.dpreview.com/articles/7110233913/hands-on-with-nikon-d7200 |
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amazing50
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If you don't need a large frame buffer then there will be some good deals on the D7100. The D7200 seems like a minor upgrade at best. |
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Judith
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Well, my vote goes to the D810. Even if I did manage to drop it first time I used it - aaaargghh!!! It's OK but my lens is about to pay the repair shop a visit. :-( I don't find the file sizes a problem. It's great being able to crop out the centre and still have a good sized image. I think I will find this useful when I get out and try and do some more bird photography. I'm not really up on the technical side of things but I am loving the new camera. There is a Thom Hogan article on his site, I think, comparing the D750 with the 810. I think he liked both but came down on the side of the 810. |
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jk
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Glad to hear that your 24-70mm is going for a new filter ring. I hope the repair isnt too expensive. |
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Eric
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Judith wrote:Well, my vote goes to the D810. I dropped my D3 and 24-70 while dashing to get a shot. Bounced off a wall hit the concrete floor ...and the lens flew into 10 pieces. D3 was fine. Lens was reassembled, for c. £100... And I honestly feel it was a sharper lens for being reassembled! |
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Judith
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I got distracted whilst putting the camera into it's bag(backpack style), didn't realise I hadn't zipped it up, slung it over my shoulder in a hurry and ... crash! Landed 24-70 first onto the tiled floor. It was one of those moments that seem to happen in slow motion as you look on in horror!! lol The filter ring broke and the zoom is stiff. If I'm lucky it won't cost too much. If I'm not so lucky, it will be about 400 quid. EEK! My travel insurance only covers me for 300. Sigh... |
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Judith
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JK the filter ring is only about 20 pounds. The zoom damage may bump it up to about 400!! |
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jk
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Hope it is the former rather than the latter. :-( |
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Eric
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Judith wrote:JK the filter ring is only about 20 pounds. The zoom damage may bump it up to about 400!! Mine didn't need any new parts ....just reassembling. Are you sending it back to Nikon or getting it done locally? |
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Eric
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Judith wrote:I got distracted whilst putting the camera into it's bag(backpack style), didn't realise I hadn't zipped it up, slung it over my shoulder in a hurry and ... crash! Landed 24-70 first onto the tiled floor. It was one of those moments that seem to happen in slow motion as you look on in horror!! lol I made the mistake of inserting the camera plus lens, lens down into my holster bag....which wasn't deep enough to accommodate the longer 24-70 and meant the heavy D3 was protruding. I was shooting a sports centre and needed a pic of pool with no one in it (ie still water). Noticed through overhead window that swimmers were leaving pool and sprinted down corridor (tripod in other hand) and bag over shoulder. Cornering at xx mph the centrifugal force emptied my holster. By the time I picked up the bits, changed lenses and got to the pool, some more people were splashing about! So missed the shot anyway. Left a nice gouge in their plastered walls though. Lol Living near ACS, I did a slight detour and dumped the pieces on David's bench. He told me to go and have a bite to eat in town and come back in 2 hours, Lens back together, calibrated and checked...£100 charge. I felt I got away with it. Immediately went out and bought a new DEEPER holster that WOULD take the body with lens attached safely! |
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Judith
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You missed out the bit about sobbing as you picked up the bits... lol I´m sending it to ACS, though I noticed that they will be coming to the Photovision Roadshow in Edinburgh which I´ll be attending so I´ll give them a ring and see if I can just hand it to them there. |
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Eric
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Judith wrote:You missed out the bit about sobbing as you picked up the bits... lol Yeah...sobbing loudly ...with a capital F. If there is anything I can do to facilitate the repair, let me know. It's worth asking David if he has a loan lens for you. Don't know if he does that but always worth a try. If I hadn't just sold my 28-70 they could have brought that to the exhibition for you to borrow. Sorry. |
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Judith
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Lol. I was in too much shock to even say F. Thanks for the offer of help and an almost loan! Damned inconvenient, you selling your lens off...  If I give it to them in Edinburgh, I'm off on hols for 10 days straight after and can take the D200 along with me so I won't miss the 24-70 for a few weeks. |
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jk
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ACS usually turn stuff around pretty quick. If you send id by Royal Mail Next Day delivery then they can possibly bring the lens up to Edinburgh. That is faster and cheaper for you. |
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Eric
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jk wrote:ACS usually turn stuff around pretty quick. If you send id by Royal Mail Next Day delivery then they can possibly bring the lens up to Edinburgh. That is faster and cheaper for you. That's what I was wondering. |
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Eric
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Judith wrote:Lol. I was in too much shock to even say F. 10day holiday! I wish! Just when I want to enjoy retirement, our gardener chap has b*ggered off and I've fractured a metatarsal. Praying for cold month to stop grass and weeds growing till I can walk again.  |
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jk
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Paraquat? Ride on mower? |
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Bob Bowen
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You are a cruel man JK. Eric I sympathise in the midst of an arthritis flare up and having the same thought. |
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jk
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Paraquat is a good grass cutter if you spray it on in a dilute fashion it only kills some of the grass so it grows back next year. I know that a ride on mower would hurt Eric more or at least his wallet! |
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Eric
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Bob Bowen wrote:You are a cruel man JK. Eric I sympathise in the midst of an arthritis flare up and having the same thought. Not use to sympathy round here Bob. No sooner do I decide to retire, the wife wants me to relay the front path paving slabs and front steps. 20 years at a computer doesn't nuture the right muscles for laying paving!! Toes feeling bit better, less swelling and I find lacing up in a shoe makes it more stable than comfy slippers. So she is shoving me out into the garden again tomorrow. Anyone get any good eclipse shots? It was cloudy here today but just as the eclipse was fading, the clouds parted and I grabbed a quickie. Didn't look through the viewfinder for obvious reasons...just aimed and pointed. Not very good...but a record of the event.... Attachment: image.jpg (Downloaded 70 times) |
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Judith
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Aha... Good thinking, chaps! I'll do that. Eclipse was a damp squib where I was in Inverness. Just got a bit darker as if a storm was brewing. Eric, paraquat sounds like a good idea to me. I had a very small patch of grass in my flat in Edinburgh and I hated it with a vengeance. Sounds like JK had a similar gardening experience. |
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amazing50
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Best low cost filters I found for solar shots are those used in welders hoods. The large size, plastic about 4x5 inches with a mirror finish #10 to #12 work well. |
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Eric
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jk wrote:Paraquat is a good grass cutter if you spray it on in a dilute fashion it only kills some of the grass so it grows back next year. I already have a ride on mower JK. With 1/2 acre of back lawn I am not going to do it with a push mower. If I started spraying weed killer near my wife's price flower borders it would be more than the grass that was cut off!  |
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amazing50
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With 1/2 acre couldn't you just get a sheep or two to keep the grass trimmed? |
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Eric
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amazing50 wrote:With 1/2 acre couldn't you just get a sheep or two to keep the grass trimmed? It's a thought. We had a deer in there last autumn and it pruned quite a few bushes for me. But then there's the sheep **** to clear up. Maybe not. |
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Judith
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But you would be presented with a lovely pastoral view from your living room! Slip some local kid a tenner to clean up the poo - worth it for not having mow... |
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jk
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Or even pay for someone to mow the lawn. That is the satisfaction of retiring Eric. You watch, they work! |
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Eric
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jk wrote:Or even pay for someone to mow the lawn. I'm from Yorkshire.. can't watch someone being paid to do what I could do for free. Managed 4hours in garden today and foot seems to have held up. :thumbsup: |
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jk
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See what tomorrow brings Eric. |
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Iain
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Eric wrote:amazing50 wrote: But it's good for the flower beds |
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Eric
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Well after all the umming and arrring....I got a D750. My reasoning based more on practicalities than some definite quality comparison. Firstly ...the feel in the hand. The D750 is virtually the same weight as the D7100, much lighter than the D810, and has an unusually deep hand grip. Why Nikon haven't pushed this across other bodies I don't know, its significantly easier to hold with long fingers...and long nails! Yes, the main reason was the wife can hold it better than her old D7000. :thumbsup: This means she doesn't need her own camera when out and about ...she can use mine, saving ME the extra camera load in my bag. Secondly...pixels. I still feel there is some substance to bigger pixels being better (whatever better means). So 24mp will, I believe be sufficient and easier to manage ...with regard to hand shooting technique and computer file size! Thirdly...the tilting screen. I've used the tilting screen on the Fuji quite a lot! Taking shots over fences, ground level plants and when so tight against an obstruction I can't get my head to the viewfinder. Whilst it's mostly going to be used with the eye viewfinder, I see this as a useful addition that will get some use. Fourthly .....price. I was able to bundle in a short range zoom all for less than the D810 body. This enables me to be operational in lightweight mode, while finalising what pro lenses I will keep and which are unnecessary. I can't think of a fifth reason right now. Only time will tell if the 4 reasons were justified! |
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amazing50
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Sounds like a good choice. |
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jk
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Eric wrote: Well after all the umming and arrring....I got a D750.Surely as a Yorkshireman the 5th reason is Price again!! |
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Eric
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jk wrote:Eric wrote:Well after all the umming and arrring....I got a D750.Surely as a Yorkshireman the 5th reason is Price again!! You know me too well. I bought some furniture before Christmas and its 'failed'. The manufacturers and dealers have agreed to refund all the money....after sending in the Yorkshire Mafia. They recredited my credit card last week. The replacement furniture (from another dealer!) will take 6-8weeks to arrive ...so I had a chunk of money credit sitting on my card doing nothing for 2months. I said 'HAD'. So 5th reason....free loan. |
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Iain
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I think that will be a good choice for you Eric. |
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jk
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I think that the D750 has all or most of the useful features of the D810 without the extra MP that I dont feel I need. I dont think I will be buying a D5 unless it is smaller and better in all the features I want/need. |
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richw
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I've not done a lot of photography lately, but a couple of weeks ago I dusted the D3s off and went to a Brazillian Ju Jitsu contest. I was very happy with how the camera performed - hi speed sport (sometimes) indoors in poor light, but the D3s was up to it. For the time being I think my camera aquisition fever has abated, but hopefully I'll become more active photographically in the future and who knows it may come back. For now I keep eying up the new iMac. That may well be my next purchase, my MacBook Pro is getting long in the tooth as a 2010 model - but that also still works well. |
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Eric
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richw wrote:I've not done a lot of photography lately, but a couple of weeks ago I dusted the D3s off and went to a Brazillian Ju Jitsu contest. I was very happy with how the camera performed - hi speed sport (sometimes) indoors in poor light, but the D3s was up to it. For the time being I think my camera aquisition fever has abated, but hopefully I'll become more active photographically in the future and who knows it may come back. In truth, the D3 has been and still is, all I really need. Were it not for the weight (combined with pro lenses) I wouldn't be considering upgrading myself! But with the cessation of commercial work I don't need a big bulky camera to lug around on holiday! The D750 allows me to use some of the FX lenses I decide to keep and its light enough for the wife to use....so we reduce the combined amount of gear we tote. The deed may be done this weekend....the D3 is out for evaluation with a potential customer. Another lens is off to ...Poland! The equipment cupboard is looking a bit bare now.  |
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