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| Posted by Ed Hutchinson: Tue Sep 23rd, 2014 19:22 | 1st Post |
| Hi there I know it has been a long time since I have darkened this doorway, but I am back and ready to go shooting. I had an issue with my iMac and had to reformat the hdd it's ok I have a backup this time LOL The Apple folks were super and helped me get it straightened out and all at no charge WOOOO HOOO ! I am having wicked good fun shooting flowers and back to low light still doing the aircraft too Been thinking about updating to a newer camera, no problem with the D200 or D80 but something newer is always good and she who must be obeyed has given consent to a purchase I like the D7000, but wonder if the higher megapixel D7100 would really be worth the extra clams. Pixel count has never been a buying point for me. Other features are what attract my limited dollar smaller size is a good thing too with my bad shoulders Both cameras do well in the reviews and I can still find new D7000s on line the price is only a couple hun different sooooooo? thanks in advance Take care and be well Time is precious, Waste it wisely!! :thumbsup: Ed
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| Posted by jk: Wed Sep 24th, 2014 02:36 | 2nd Post |
| The D7100 is definitely top of the tree at present but I think there may be a refresh (D7200) or D400 released in Feb 2015. The D7100 is a step up. I use a Fuji XT1 and I do notice that its 16MP is a little wanting if you need to make a big crop. However if you get you image composition correct then 16MP is enough the 24MP just gove you extra comfort. The D7000/7100 will handle much the same so it is only a question of the extra pixels and the improved in camera noise reduction that you get in the D7100. If I was purchasing I would go for the D7100 as it is the better camera.
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| Posted by Gilbert Sandberg: Wed Sep 24th, 2014 02:40 | 3rd Post |
| Ed, If you do not care about pixelcount (as sensible poeple do) you may want to consider buying a second-hand D7000 from a trusted source. Regards, Gilbert
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| Posted by Eric: Wed Sep 24th, 2014 10:07 | 4th Post |
| I have a D7000. It's a nice camera but I feel it has two weakISH points. At high ISO under incandescent lighting it has a tendency to show coloured artefacts particularly in the shadow areas. if you only shoot in low natural light it's not an issue. It's not as fast at focusing as a Dx or Dxxx model. If you are shooting action it may not grab the shots as well as a (say) D300 ...or maybe even your D200? That said I don't believe the D7100 is any better in these areas...so I didn't bother to upgrade. Certainly worth looking at a D7000... in place of your D80. But you might hang onto the D200 until you are happy the D7000 would be an adequate replacement. The D7000 is lighter than a D200 but remember that good glass is preferable on any camera...and good glass frequently contributes nearly as much to the shoulder weight as the body. So the nett saving may not be that significant.
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| Posted by Ed Hutchinson: Wed Sep 24th, 2014 22:02 | 5th Post |
| Hi Eric Thanks for the insight, I don't do sports or any thing super fast, I am old and feeble things need to be slow. At least thats my story for now. The d200 is a keeper no matter what other body i acquire. I had my mind set on a d300s but I really like the new small size bodies. I would be first in line for a digital F2s just a camera no wifi no gps no video, just a darn great camera like the original. but we are forced to take all that gobbledegook to get the options we want SORRY I will get off the sudsy box The D7000 would save a few bucks ooooooo more good glass hummmm! I will do some more research I have lots of time to look so maybe a trip to the store for a touchy feelie the only problem with that is I will getr a case of the terminal Igottahaveitnows . Take care and be well Ed
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| Posted by Gilbert Sandberg: Thu Sep 25th, 2014 02:57 | 6th Post |
| Ed, re: all that gobbledegook I agree, and I may go and stroke one of my F2's today, grin. re: glass You are right, if you want to get the most out of one of those zillion pixel camera's, you need to work (and purchase) at that. Nikon did release a PDF with D-800 and lens tips when that camera came to market. Regards, Gilbert PS If you run into a nice used D300, you may want to consider that, ther ergonomics are more in line with the D200.
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| Posted by jk: Thu Sep 25th, 2014 03:44 | 7th Post |
| I have a D300 and enjoy it as it has all the features of a professional camera. The D300S brings LiveView and video. The LiveView is good for macro and imho the video is no darned use at all. If you want to do video then get a video camera or maybe one of the latest Nikons like the D750 but I am sure that Graham Whistler can give better advice on this than me. Thank goodness I have settled my needs for my Nikons except for a D300 update. Will Nikon ever release that D400?
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| Posted by Ed Hutchinson: Thu Sep 25th, 2014 03:48 | 8th Post |
| Hi Gilbert I know about the D300S and it was my choise until MR Auther Itis attacked my hands and shoulders, now weight is the factor, and I want the increased performance of the newer cameras. Ericv suggested the D7000 and it is great but the D7100 is selling for only $100.00 more, and I am still on two feet but leaning that way. This one time a few dollars will not stand in the way I have only been able to get away from priorities a couple of times and do some serious shooting this must stop and photos must come first, the yard can wait. Thanks for the comments Ed  
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| Posted by jk: Thu Sep 25th, 2014 04:02 | 9th Post |
| In your case I think it is better to get the D7100 for the extra $100.
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| Posted by MaxSouthOz: Thu Sep 25th, 2014 04:40 | 10th Post |
| Makes me wish I'd waited instead of buying the D 7000. Problem is, the camera's smarter than I am. 
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| Posted by Ed Hutchinson: Thu Sep 25th, 2014 10:57 | 11th Post |
| Hi I know the smarter feeling, my cat is smarter than me but she has trained me well. I think it will be a D7100, I am going to make the trip to the camera store and get a handle on the D7100 I am not going to spend that much without touching and lusting I will try to minimize the drooling in public  Ed Try not to take life too seriously, you won't make it out alive anyway! 
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| Posted by jk: Thu Sep 25th, 2014 13:54 | 12th Post |
| Then to completely challenge your cat's rationale there is the small but slightly less complex D5300 with all the gizmos built in. It has the same sensor as the D7100 has more gizmos and a swiveling TFT screen but lacks a little on the build quality. I would test both if you are going to the store. The lesser D3300 is not really suitable but has the same sensor but has less controls and is designed to frustrate if you have used a more complex camera like your D200.
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| Posted by Ed Hutchinson: Thu Sep 25th, 2014 16:09 | 13th Post |
| I see a chance for a story, back in the day I only owned 2 lenses a 50 f1.4 and a 43 to 86 zoom. My good friend and full-time shooting buddy was a Nikor lens junkie he would go hungry to buy another lens I think he owned everything made at the time and they were all available for me to use. can you say spoiled, I thought you could. Today i am limited by a small income but I do have several lenses, all except the 18 to 55 are FX and good quality, because I thought I wanted to someday go FX. Well after having Dx and using the crop factor to an advantage I find I like it I really like it I really really like it Addicted ? NOT ME did I tell you I like It?  I had looked at a D600 refurb but the difference in price would add another used lens I am handing off the D80 to SWMBO and the 18 to 55 will keep her happy for a while then she is going to want to sample my stash so the more the better LOL Sorry,rambling again  Ed
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| Posted by Ed Hutchinson: Sun Sep 28th, 2014 23:32 | 14th Post |
| OH OH I thought I had made up my mind to buy a D7100, But we went to the C store today and I got a touchy feely with a D610 and it was lust at first heft. I felt bad about possibly spending so much and picked up the D7100 it is really nice. I told the wife it will do and she said no you are buying the other one, this time cost does not matter I want you to have the one you really want. Gotta love her    So as soon as the cash comes in I will be standing outside the store just before it opens saying OPEN OPEN OPEN Ed
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| Posted by amazing50: Mon Sep 29th, 2014 02:58 | 15th Post |
| I have a D610 and have used the D7100 quite a bit. The D610 is my favourite by a long shot.
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| Posted by Ed Hutchinson: Mon Sep 29th, 2014 05:42 | 16th Post |
| Hi The FX format is a given, what I liked was the solid feel. It felt right in my hands, like that old pair of slippers the wife keeps trying to get rid of. That is why I wanted to fondle and drool on both. I like the D7000 and D7100 as well just not as much. One never knows one may follow me home in the future. (poor little thing, can I keep it honey, can I? PLEEZE) I will come back with my first impression as soon as I can, now that I am retired I can spend the time with it, it deserves Ed
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| Posted by Gilbert Sandberg: Mon Sep 29th, 2014 06:05 | 17th Post |
| Ed, re: touchy feely with a D610 What was wrong with you, maybe a hangover ? re: fx Earlier you stated that weight is an issue for you. Please consider that FX camera's and appropriate glass will always weigh more, even a D6n0/750. Regards, Gilbert
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| Posted by Ed Hutchinson: Mon Sep 29th, 2014 10:56 | 18th Post |
| Hi Gilbert I know about FX glass because that is all I use, all my lenses are FX except 1 18 to 55 that snuck in on my D80 and that is where it will stay because the wife now owns the D80 and the interloper. I went out yesterday with the D200 and Tokina 100mm 2.8 macro, and made it through 175 shots of some cool flowers weight is not as much of an issue as I thought it might be. I haven't been out do to illness. All is better now and I am ready to go out an have some wicked good fun See I really was thinking ahead, thanks to Robert and a few others. Ed
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| Posted by jk: Mon Sep 29th, 2014 16:34 | 19th Post |
| Glad to hear that you are getting out and about more Ed. Photography is great medicine, better than any medication.
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| Posted by Ed Hutchinson: Wed Oct 1st, 2014 01:50 | 20th Post |
| Oh JK You are so right, photography always makes me feel better. So now the more the better, a new camera will stimulate the little gray cells into action and away we go Live long and prosper!!! Ed
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| Posted by richw: Sun Oct 12th, 2014 18:42 | 21st Post |
Ed Hutchinson wrote:Hi Gilbert Although I love my Nikon gear, I feel that my next purchase may be a different brand - probably a fuji, because I also want something very light weight, and the lenses they are doing are also compact and small whilst still giving very good image quality. Unfortunately I'm afraid I've hit a patch of not taking many photos recently, I need to get out of this rut before I'd buy again.
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| Posted by jk: Mon Oct 13th, 2014 04:55 | 22nd Post |
| I agree with Rich but for action photography I still think the Nikon and Canon cameras are head and shoulders ahead of the Fuji XT1 that I have. The Fuji is the equal of Nikon when used in the studio or for landscapes and portraits. There are differences between the cameras that are advantageous to some but not others.
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| Posted by Ed Hutchinson: Mon Oct 13th, 2014 16:00 | 23rd Post |
| Several years ago I was thinking of going to Canon but I found I was not smart enough to operate them, so I went with Nikon at least I can fake my way with them they don't require as many little very cells on my part LOL Ed
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| Posted by Robert: Mon Oct 13th, 2014 16:48 | 24th Post |
| I think you got that back to front Ed! The smart guy is the one who goes for the simplest easiest method of achieving his goal. I don't rate the guy who takes the toughest route. When I was an apprentice builder I quite often faced a dilemma of which method to use to achieve the task I had been set. Sometimes I would ask my boss which of the options would be best, invariably he would say the easiest, simplest and quickest that gets the job done satisfactorily.
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| Posted by Eric: Mon Oct 13th, 2014 17:50 | 25th Post |
richw wrote:Ed Hutchinson wrote: Be careful about changing direction Rich. The Fuji is a great camera, capable of producing D3 quality images....with ATD! In just the same way that high pixel density bodies like the D800 need extra care to realise their potential, the Fuji needs that little bit of care too. It's small and less ergonomically designed for hand holding than Nikon bodies. Combined with its lighter weight, I feel these facts work against maximising it's quality. The weight of a D3 acts as a damper. You simply don't move as much. The D3's lesser pixel density further ease the effort required to take a sharp handheld shot. The Lightweight Grail we seek may in fact be a poisoned chalice ...in that we merely exchange the effort of toting bulky equipment for something that needs more effort in standing still. I've been pleased with many of the shots I have taken with the Fuji. But I seriously think it's had a negative impact on my desire to take photographs. As I posted some weeks ago...I do feel stepping down in format has a subliminal impact on ones attitude towards serious photography. Sorry if that sounds weird and a bit depressingly negative. I mention this because you talk of a photographers block or perhaps life has taken priority over a hobby. Trying to come to terms with stopping professional photography I had hoped holiday snapping would fill the void. But it hasn't. There is no doubt that a project (self imposed or commissioned) puts the seriousness back into my photography. Without something to push against (something that pushes back!) most tasks will suffer the doldrums. I will stop waffling and see what images have followed me back from France. Lol
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| Posted by jk: Mon Oct 13th, 2014 18:21 | 26th Post |
Eric wrote:
I agree with this sentiment. I find I just sit editing or reading if I dont push myself to do photo projects. Current themes are: Clouds Abstract shapes These do not stop me from other types photos but provide a source of inspiration.
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| Posted by Ed Hutchinson: Thu Oct 16th, 2014 04:31 | 27th Post |
| OH OH He's back! I have a question that is bugging me, probably because I have way too much free time, and must remain quiet so as not to disturb the bosses both human and feline. I have been using my time watching tutorials and reviews and a question comes to a feeble mind. WE have two cameras, a DX with 24mp and an FX with 12mp it is easy for one to think that 24mp is far superior, but is this truly the case. It is my understanding that in order to get all of those 24mp on the small DX sensor they need to be small (read tiny) and that the 12 mp on the FX sensor are much larger, therefor able to catch more light and also more information per each. If this is true then is that 24mp really that much better and is it something that a average dummy with aging eyes (read me) will be able to see? I realize that some of the above is hype to sell new cameras, and that is ok but is it really worthwhile to spend $500. t0 $2000. dollars for what may be a small difference. Ed
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| Posted by Ed Hutchinson: Thu Oct 16th, 2014 04:33 | 28th Post |
| OOOOOPS SORRY! about the double post Ed
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| Posted by jk: Thu Oct 16th, 2014 05:55 | 29th Post |
| No problem, internet glitch! All sorted.
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| Posted by jk: Thu Oct 16th, 2014 05:59 | 30th Post |
| I think that a 24MP sensor is ideal, wheter FX or DX as it gives a bit more fine detail for editing/cropping. However if you frame accurately then 12MP is enough unless you need fine grained images printed large 50"x40" prints or more. I would say on the physical side that a FX is bulkier and heavier than a DX body. On the same theme FX lenses are like for like heavier than DX lenses and also Nikon has a better selection of FX lenses than DX ones. So all in all I think the FX market is better served by Nikon, this is reinforced when you look at the body releases. All the professional bodies are FX and the amateur/consumer grade ones are DX. This FX/DX debate is a real issue as sports and wildlife photographers need long telephotos to get frame filling shots. Obviously a 300mm is fine if the subject is close by when using a FX camera but having a DX camera with the same 300mm lens fitted provides an image that is larger due to the x1.5 magnification factor of the lens on a smaller sensor area. It is a question of more or larger heavier kit to provide the same image size on the sensor. Depending on your needs the experience varies.
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| Posted by Ed Hutchinson: Wed Feb 25th, 2015 15:50 | 31st Post |
| Well it is well known by now that I got a D7100. I really like the feel of this body and thought the lighter weight would be great. I now have added an MB_D15, the extra weight does not bother me at all in fact I find I like the better balance it offers. A Ape Case ACpro1900 back pack is arriving today and I will then be able to get my kit in one place rather than 3 smaller bags. Obviously it will be much easier to get my gear out Oh the anticipation of photo fun to come! :thumbsup: Ed
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