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blackfox
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 nearly but not quiet there ,due to a high end canon body malfunction while under warranty I,m now awaiting a refund . and I have also decided that due to advancing old age its time to lighten my load .so sometime next week I shall be purchasing a new d7200 which seems to fit my wildlife aspirations ,and my lad is selling me his virtually unused Nikon 200-500 f5.6 vr .not sure about other lenses yet but the idea is to cut down weight issues so not sure . time to stir things up again ,missed you lot ,Robert ,j.k,eric plus others  |
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Robert
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Mmmmm I was just thinking only last evening, it was time you were brought back to the fold! Hope you are keeping well, I haven't been down your way for a while, overdue a trip in that direction, Bodnant at this time of year might be worth a look. Good luck with the D7200, nothing newer, a few more Mp for cropping? |
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blackfox
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hi rob ,plenty of ring tailed hen harriers about on the marshes on the wirral side .pity my 1D4 went tits up ,but I have been perusing for a while getting a lighter rig ,id4 and sigma 150-600 sport is a mighty load to lug around ,so the camera going is a blessing in disguise really . more m.p its a chicken and egg situation really especially for wildlife as getting close is the name of the game .I have to take economics into account as well ,been a good year but a new caravan swiftly followed by my i.mac going to its grave has left us very depleted for a while .but the new 27incher with i7 processor and SSD drive makes up for it . |
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Eric
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Welcome back. Your return is well timed as a number of us have been wrestling with the issue of lens length, weight, getting close enough, mirrorless bodies all in connection with wildlife. So you experience in this field has been missed in the various debates. Having had an expensive year myself, I am regrouping the finances with a view to new Nikon purchase in the January sales. Just need to make my mind up which way to jump!!! |
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blackfox
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hi Eric old friend ,well for the past few years since the d7100 throw my toys out of the pram debacle I have gone through quiet a lot of various canon bodies of both crop and 1.3 crop type I,e 7d,70d,80d,2 x 1dmk3 and the latest 1dmkiv body with various lenses the longest lasting has been the sigma 150-600 sport which is a beast of a lens sharp and fast ,but also heavy and unwieldy and a f6.3 aperture is not the best up norf. the lads selling his 200-500 Nikon in virtually unused condition so thats a no brainer and I was gonna get a a d7200 up till a hour ago when on talking to my lad and browsing the web we noticed that H.DEW are doing the new d7500 for £880 ,so it looks like that will be the body of choice .might have a trawl round the shops before I buy to see how it fits in hand though . |
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Robert
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That's why I mentioned it, I had noticed the D7500 was very competitively priced, I think you will be pleasantly surprised with the IQ and dynamic range. From what I have read all the current crop of Nikons are pretty well sorted from the point of view of ISO, resolution and image quality. Even my little D3300 produces some stunning image with no bother. I have a D3 now, that, together with a somewhat high milage D300S are serving my needs very well. I have a D3S on the horizon so I am pretty well set to cover all my interests now. I don't yearn for higher Mp. For the moment my car racing expeditions are curtailed, the racing team I was following are taking a season out and regrouping, so maybe next year? Outdoor carting may be a possibility next year too. They have been talking about supporting a rally car for stage rallying. Am concentrating on stars and 360-180º spherical panoramas at the moment. Great fun! The Harriers must be a challenge, I guess fieldcraft rules the day there. Different matter from those Little Terns you introduced me to. We have a colony of Little Terns near here, on Walney Island but from what I can gather access is difficult because of the colony of Grey Seals which share the same area. All access is prohibited to the spit where the seals hang out, they do have pups, about three this season I believe, although I am told they do haul out on accessible beaches, I haven't seen any myself yet. |
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blackfox
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Yep watching some u tube reviews just now ,the only thing that bothers me is the grip ,as you recall I,m not exactly a small chap ,I used to love my old d300s that brings back memories ..so due to the grip on the 7500 I'm still on the fence that and another 250 quid ?.? .... We went to flookborough for a holiday in sept .the week of the non stop rain and high winds ,thought I would need to float the caravan home, at one point . We did have a couple of good hours at the southlakeland zoo though ,most impressed |
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Robert
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The grip issue was at the back of my mind... After a bit of research it seems the D7500 doesn't have an official Nikon Grip? My buddy has a genuine grip for a D7200 if you decide to revert to the original D7200 idea. My buddy also has a D600 unused since a factory refurbish. If that tickles your fancy, or anybody else's? (PM me) The weather at Flookburgh can be... unfriendly? It can also be lovely and it's handy for the Lakes. When it blows down there, it BLOWS! I had a unit on the old army camp, where you may have stayed. Back about 1976 on New years day it BLEW, it blew so hard that it blew my Mini clean off of the Mile Road, at about midnight, into the ditch, right opposite the airfield gates. Fortunately I had a winch with me, which I lashed to the airfield gate post and I rolled the car back out of the ditch and carried on like nothing happened!!!  Happy days! |
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Eric
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blackfox wrote:hi Eric old friend ,well for the past few years since the d7100 throw my toys out of the pram debacle I have gone through quiet a lot of various canon bodies of both crop and 1.3 crop type I,e 7d,70d,80d,2 x 1dmk3 and the latest 1dmkiv body with various lenses the longest lasting has been the sigma 150-600 sport which is a beast of a lens sharp and fast ,but also heavy and unwieldy and a f6.3 aperture is not the best up norf. Well if you read some of the mirrorless posts on the forum you may see that I ditched ALL my Nikon gear in an attempt to concentrate on trying the Fuji XT system on all subjects. The truth is that mirrorless is a compromise and as such one camera cannot be used easily for all subjects ...without you, as an individual, changing the way you operate significantly. For me there is an ergonomic negative with the Fuji bodies...they don't sit as well in my biggish hands without adding battery grips that also add weight defeating the lightweight advantage of mirrorless. They mirrorless also use a lot more battery power...which means a pocketful of spares or limited shot numbers. But for wildlife, the big disapppointment is the screen blackout between shots which means you can lose contact with your moving subject. OK the latest XT2 has greatly reduced this time out...by adding 2 more batteries!!! I've come to the realisation that for special applications (like wildlife) the weight advantage of functioning comparable mirrorless equipment isn't that significant. I am looking at the D500 with the 200 -500 or maybe the D850 and crop! But it's a high price to pay if the D500 will suffice. So I am biding my time spending money on more home improvements this autumn ......but watch this space in 2018. |
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blackfox
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The 200-500 is the game changer for me ,reach ,weight and aperture ,been thinking about weight a lot as I get older ,so the camera breaking was the excuse I needed ,nearly very nearly went down the path of a eos.m5 as it takes all canon lenses . But now I have the chance of a clean break and start over ,just need my sigma sport to sell I'm up and running |
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Eric
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blackfox wrote:The 200-500 is the game changer for me ,reach ,weight and aperture ,been thinking about weight a lot as I get older ,so the camera breaking was the excuse I needed ,nearly very nearly went down the path of a eos.m5 as it takes all canon lenses . I am thinking along the same lines Jeff. I've got a load of Fuji gear that will fund a return to Nikon, although I may keep some for general walk around photography. Having said that, the wife uses a Panasonic LUMIX FZ2000 and I have to say she gets excellent results...so I may let her take the photos. |
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Eric
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Robert wrote:That's why I mentioned it, I had noticed the D7500 was very competitively priced, I think you will be pleasantly surprised with the IQ and dynamic range. From what I have read all the current crop of Nikons are pretty well sorted from the point of view of ISO, resolution and image quality. Even my little D3300 produces some stunning image with no bother. Harriers a challenge? no problem. This marsh harrier was only.........half a mile away. Attachment: 3D70BFD0-5636-45DB-8EF7-7BA785633310.jpeg (Downloaded 20 times) |
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blackfox
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Got the male hen harrier at twenty yards yesterday ,by the tim3 I realised it wasn't a gull it was virtually passed |
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Robert
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Specsavers? |
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jk
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Welcome back Blackfox. The D7200 isretty good and and a 200-500 coupled to it makes for a good combo. I got the D500 and it makes for a great Birds in Flight setup. Also got a D850 to lay the spectre of getting a MF camera. No point in my opinion having huge camera, lenses just to get a few pixels more. 45MP is more than enough. |
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blackfox
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Hi Jonathan ,yes the D500 does look like the camera we were all waiting for back then . Now sat on the fence choice wise there's the D7200,D7500,and the D500 to choose from ,selling off my canon gear on the bay of E bit by bit ,depends what it all achieves in the end ,going to take my time as I still have the wife's canon set up to use till all the funds are available . |
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jk
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The camera buffer and the AF unit on the D500 is superior to the D7500/7200 I believe so I would say the D500 is definitely worth it for bird photograpghy. However the lack of a built-in flash may cause some people issues! In this way the D7200 wins for general photography. |
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blackfox
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I know its a canon shot ,but a ring tailed hen harrier hunting mid week  hunting by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr |
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Robert
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Very nice, what lens? |
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blackfox
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its the sigma 150-600 sport rob ,sharp as occurs razer but getting to much for me to lug around these days |
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jk
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I think I would stick with a successful combo. Nice work. |
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Eric
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blackfox wrote:its the sigma 150-600 sport rob ,sharp as occurs razer but getting to much for me to lug around these days That will get em googling occams razor I've long been an advocate of his logic, in my camera gear.... "More things should not be used than are necessary" |
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blackfox
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here ya go Eric drool LOL the grey ghost by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr |
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Eric
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blackfox wrote:here ya go Eric drool LOL You can go off people you know! >:( 'My' female had been shopping for the old man dinner...but was still half a mile away  Attachment: 11A9D414-AA80-4FEF-8A00-F7EFDDEF4DF0.jpeg (Downloaded 22 times) |
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Eric
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It's easier when they come to you. Attachment: C83044EA-62B8-4541-93E2-CE2A5E8D6D05.jpeg (Downloaded 23 times) |
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blackfox
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We have a micro reserve up here that has one hide ,and the photographers have been left alone to develope it ,hence we have a reed bed and water right up to the hide ,our moveable feeder stick. Is between 6 to 9 feet in front of the hide ,the detail you can get is amazing |
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Eric
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blackfox wrote:We have a micro reserve up here that has one hide ,and the photographers have been left alone to develope it ,hence we have a reed bed and water right up to the hide ,our moveable feeder stick. Is between 6 to 9 feet in front of the hide ,the detail you can get is amazing Getting close is more than half the battle. A friend of mine lives in remote area of Radnor hills. He puts offal on his bird table for the Kites to come down and pick. Sadly we don't have anything that interesting. Attachment: 46300E89-6658-4579-900A-1E2B175FD392.jpeg (Downloaded 21 times) |
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blackfox
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Well after a couple of days of mulling things over and a lot of watching vids on u.tube I have regretfully decided to stay with canon ,I will lose to much money by selling and reverting* to Nikon with very little gain quality wise .i will still pop In and out to keep in touch with you lot though |
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Robert
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Sounds heavy! I concur. I hauled the D3, D300, a flash and five lenses up Stickle Pike last night, Christopher carried my lightweight? (Not very!) Benbo tripod. Once up there the Benbo wasn't heavy enough, it just sits on the ground, grass in this case. The exposed location meant strong winds. So the assembly vibrated in the wind, 30 seconds exposures resulted in soft images. Waste of all the effort carrying the gear up there. Should have taken the heavy tripod. It has spikes which you push into the ground by stamping on a little bracket provided for the purpose. Result is a pretty well rock solid mount. Where do you stop? |
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Robert
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Mmm, not sure where all those posts came from... It's just a tool Jeff, doesn't really matter what the badge says, if it plays your music, go with it. I think we are either wanderers or not. I had a variety of cameras with film, but I don't take to changing brands easily. I still try to switch my wipers on with the left hand stalk, because that was how my Rovers worked, I had Rovers for about 12 years and I liked the layout, so if you see a little blue Corsa indicate right when the rain starts, it's probably me!!! My last Rover went about 1989? Old habits die hard. That's one reason I stuck with Nikon once digital arrived. I can pretty well do most things in total darkness with the D3 and the others because they are pretty well the same layout. Be happy to see you anytime, lovely pix and friendly chat. |
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blackfox
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Yesterday I thought I had made my choice ,but last night the lad and my Mrs told me not to be rash and the outcome is I will go to Chester today to handle some Nikon's before I decide what to buy ,there's no real rush as I have the wife's camera and lens to use for now |
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Eric
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Robert wrote:Mmm, not sure where all those posts came from... If you are referring to the photos...they came from me in response to Jeffs photo of hen harrier and talking about getting close to birds in his reserve. A bit of gentle banter |
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Eric
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blackfox wrote:Yesterday I thought I had made my choice ,but last night the lad and my Mrs told me not to be rash and the outcome is I will go to Chester today to handle some Nikon's before I decide what to buy ,there's no real rush as I have the wife's camera and lens to use for now Will be interested to know what you think about the feel in the hand of D500 versus D850. The 850 has the deeper grip first introduced with the D750....which I reallly like. Haven't felt a D500 yet but suspect it is more traditional grip size.  Then again...when it's mounted on a support with a big lens the grip is academic |
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Robert
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Eric wrote:Robert wrote: Sorry, no, I was taken aback when I hit the post button and found my post was out of context, then I realised I hadn't gone to the next page because I hadn't refreshed my browser! My mistake. Not used to such rapid posting, we don't usually get this many posts in a month! LOL |
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blackfox
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LOL woke you all up then ,well done my visit had a play with a few ,the 7500 would be my choice if changing ,but I think I will stick with my choice from yesterday an£ go back to a canon 80D which is virtually the same spec,and I have had before |
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jk
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Well I am mostly Nikon centric but I have a Fuji a setup as well. I have used Canon stuff but I find the user interface less good than the Nikon. I dont think there are any bad cameras just ones that suit you better. |
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blackfox
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it was the spec report that did it in the end Jonathon ,they were virtually identical in most respects ,a little bit of give and take but not enough to justify losing a lot of dosh . also my rig at the moment gives me 600mm at f6.3 the Nikon would be 500mm a t f5.6 ,and my sigma lens takes the 1.4 sigma t.c giving 840mm native at f9 and is virtually no different to the base lens . the one real benefit is my original 80d cost me over a grand and was on the drip this ones got a 3 year u.k warranty is under £700 and bought for cash .no brainer really |
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jk
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Since I am heavily invested in Nikon glass it is an easy choice for me. BTW if anyone wants a Nikon 400mm f2.8 AFS (without VR) then I'm open to offers. My Nikon 200-500 AFS VR is fine for everything I do these days. |
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Eric
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blackfox wrote:it was the spec report that did it in the end Jonathon ,they were virtually identical in most respects ,a little bit of give and take but not enough to justify losing a lot of dosh . Ah...if you have a native to hold it steady, no wonder it's as good as the base lens.  |
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Iain
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Good to see you back, I thought it was pending when I saw your post on another forum. I've just been looking at the D7500 in Jessops at the weekend and the grip is quite good and fits in the hand well. I would go in somewhere and try it. The only thing that puts me off is the one card slot. |
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blackfox
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did try it in the shop Iain ,yes it fitted nicely in my big mutt hands .but I was put off by what I considered to be a flimsy screen mounting system.and when I got home and compared the spec to the canon 80d they were virtually the same ,bit of give and take .as I have had a 80D before which I only sold due to financial restraints and by changing lenses I would also have lost out on focal length I decided to stay with canon so have now bought a 80D , this also fell into my budget commitments spent far to much this year already ,i.e new caravan ,new 27" i.mac etc so thats it last minute change of heart. one from last year with the 80d and my lens  marsh hunter by jeff and jan cohen, on Flickr |
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Robert
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Iain wrote:The only thing that puts me off is the one card slot. Well I'm running a couple of 32CF's in the D3 and a 32CF and a 16SD in the D300S. Despite much use, even at motor racing I haven't filled a 32 yet. Good, big, fast cards are cheap (and reliable) enough now. |
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jk
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blackfox wrote:did try it in the shop Iain ,yes it fitted nicely in my big mutt hands .but I was put off by what I considered to be a flimsy screen mounting system.and when I got home and compared the spec to the canon 80d they were virtually the same ,bit of give and take .as I have had a 80D before which I only sold due to financial restraints and by changing lenses I would also have lost out on focal length I decided to stay with canon so have now bought a 80D , Superb photo. As good as an Eric Hosking's one! |
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Eric
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Robert wrote:Iain wrote: Yes, Ive been using 64gb cards because of video capacity needs. Although the XT has two slots I've rarely filled one card before I've had opportunity to download. I would be relaxed with one slot...and a few spare cards in the pocket. |
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Graham Whistler
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Super pix, glad to see you back. Latest Nikons well able to do top quality pix! |
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