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Kathy Baker

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I am no expert with software but................

One of my church guys wants me to convert an Adobe InDesign 1.5 file into a editable Microsoft word document. I have explained to them on many occasions that this cannot happen. I currently send them a PDF to print.
:waiting:

Am I wrong? Is there "any" time an adobe product can be converted to a working microsoft product? They all only know how to use ms word. Formating is a foreign language.

If some one could please "give me the lecture" so that I can pass along some final explanation!

Kathy Baker

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Is there any newer but free Adobe publishing software available?

Robert

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InDesign Cs6?

I don't have my Adobe suit to hand but I would be amazed if there were no way of exporting a text file from InDesign.

Even select all> Copy: Open an eMail program and paste it into a new document then send it to them. That should do the trick? Michael tells me there is a PC utility called 'Notes' which might do the trick.

This is a timely reminder that I promised Eric I would do a test with InDesign over Christmas, we had Christmas didn't we... Better get it done, else Eric will think I have forgotten.

Kathy Baker

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Just to clarify. I don't want them to be able to edit. They will get even more lax about their submissions. Submission deadline is Thursday for Saturday print ready. Sometimes I get things as late as Saturday night. It is all volunteer so I don't say anything. I don't really mind. Some things are submitted by very tired elderly people. Sometimes they forget to send me stuff at all. I just prepare what they send me. If they forget? Oh well. If I chase everyone for their submissions they will get disgruntled about that.

So tell me how many ways I cannot turn Adobe into Microsoft. :devil:

richw

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You can do it but have to via PDF and then use a PDF to word convertor. Lots of hassle. http://creativetechs.com/tipsblog/convert-indesign-file-to-microsoft-word/

I would explain that InDesign is a desktop publishing tool and much more specialist than Word. Therefore content can be prepared in Word and moved into InDesign, but the because InDesign has much more powerful layout tools than Word going back the other way is not practicable.

Eric

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Robert wrote: InDesign Cs6?

I don't have my Adobe suit to hand but I would be amazed if there were no way of exporting a text file from InDesign.

Even select all> Copy: Open an eMail program and paste it into a new document then send it to them. That should do the trick? Michael tells me there is a PC utility called 'Notes' which might do the trick.

This is a timely reminder that I promised Eric I would do a test with InDesign over Christmas, we had Christmas didn't we... Better get it done, else Eric will think I have forgotten.Too late.

I retired.

:rofl:

Eric

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Kathy Baker wrote: Just to clarify. I don't want them to be able to edit. They will get even more lax about their submissions. Submission deadline is Thursday for Saturday print ready. Sometimes I get things as late as Saturday night. It is all volunteer so I don't say anything. I don't really mind. Some things are submitted by very tired elderly people. Sometimes they forget to send me stuff at all. I just prepare what they send me. If they forget? Oh well. If I chase everyone for their submissions they will get disgruntled about that.

So tell me how many ways I cannot turn Adobe into Microsoft. :devil:

As Rich says it CAN be done...but in my experience these converters only work with straightforward layouts. If there are any images, graphics or text wrap conditions the converters tend to miss these and scramble. This then needs messy editing in the new software. I have no experience of this one that Rich mentions...it MAY be better.

Like Robert says, if its just text, you can copy and paste it into your own Word document and circulate that.

But I have had many such requests from clients over the years.
You just have to muscle it out and tell them it cant be done...you are the boss! ;-)

Now the bit you dont want to read....

If you have Acrobat Professional you can save pdf files to Word documents. BUT they tend not to be editable.

You can save them as .TXT files but this drops all pictures and text formatting.

The recipient could edit the text files in Word and email it back to you. You could then copy/paste the corrections back into Indesign and reoutput the pdf.

:wisemonkeys:

Edit
Just saved a brochure page from Acrobat Pro to a Word document and I got an 'image' file of the whole page (left below).
Saving it as a TXT file I got the text (right below)

Attachment: sigma_0113 PROOF-1.jpg (Downloaded 46 times)

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Eric wrote: Robert wrote: InDesign Cs6?

I don't have my Adobe suit to hand but I would be amazed if there were no way of exporting a text file from InDesign.

Even select all> Copy: Open an eMail program and paste it into a new document then send it to them. That should do the trick? Michael tells me there is a PC utility called 'Notes' which might do the trick.

This is a timely reminder that I promised Eric I would do a test with InDesign over Christmas, we had Christmas didn't we... Better get it done, else Eric will think I have forgotten.Too late.

I retired.

:rofl:

Is that true?
:wine:

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richw wrote: You can do it but have to via PDF and then use a PDF to word convertor. Lots of hassle. http://creativetechs.com/tipsblog/convert-indesign-file-to-microsoft-word/

I would explain that InDesign is a desktop publishing tool and much more specialist than Word. Therefore content can be prepared in Word and moved into InDesign, but the because InDesign has much more powerful layout tools than Word going back the other way is not practicable.
I dont see why the PDF isnt OK for them.

If they want to use Word then the question is why?
Adobe provide a free reader (Adobe Acrobat) which is usually installed on most Windows/Mac PCs.

I think the answer is to say No and to send them to the Adobe site to get Adobe Reader free download (if they havent got it already).
http://get.adobe.com/uk/reader/

Sometimes the best answer is No!!
The Word doc file will be huge compared to the PDF file so distribution is much more difficult if you agree to sending DOC or DOCX files around.

Kathy Baker

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They are embarrassed that they forget to send me stuff and want to put it in themselves at the last minute. They live in a copy and paste world.

I already answered them. I just said "that is not technically possible"

Thanks for all the advice guys. I learned a few new things. Now if I can just retain them. :rofl:

Eric

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jk wrote: Eric wrote: Robert wrote: InDesign Cs6?

I don't have my Adobe suit to hand but I would be amazed if there were no way of exporting a text file from InDesign.

Even select all> Copy: Open an eMail program and paste it into a new document then send it to them. That should do the trick? Michael tells me there is a PC utility called 'Notes' which might do the trick.

This is a timely reminder that I promised Eric I would do a test with InDesign over Christmas, we had Christmas didn't we... Better get it done, else Eric will think I have forgotten.Too late.

I retired.

:rofl:

Is that true?
:wine:

Only joking. :-)

richw

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Eric wrote:
jk wrote: Eric wrote: Robert wrote: InDesign Cs6?

I don't have my Adobe suit to hand but I would be amazed if there were no way of exporting a text file from InDesign.

Even select all> Copy: Open an eMail program and paste it into a new document then send it to them. That should do the trick? Michael tells me there is a PC utility called 'Notes' which might do the trick.

This is a timely reminder that I promised Eric I would do a test with InDesign over Christmas, we had Christmas didn't we... Better get it done, else Eric will think I have forgotten.Too late.

I retired.

:rofl:

Is that true?
:wine:

Only joking. :-)

Eric

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richw wrote:
Eric wrote:
jk wrote: Eric wrote: Robert wrote: InDesign Cs6?

I don't have my Adobe suit to hand but I would be amazed if there were no way of exporting a text file from InDesign.

Even select all> Copy: Open an eMail program and paste it into a new document then send it to them. That should do the trick? Michael tells me there is a PC utility called 'Notes' which might do the trick.

This is a timely reminder that I promised Eric I would do a test with InDesign over Christmas, we had Christmas didn't we... Better get it done, else Eric will think I have forgotten.Too late.

I retired.

:rofl:

Is that true?
:wine:

Only joking. :-)

I think I joined the first forum on 2006? I seem to remember Eric talking about retiring back then! I've come to understand that however much he might wish to the machinery companies around Norfolk simply couldn't do without him!

Honestly if you enjoy the work, and are able to manage your time well enough to do everything else you want to do, why retire? I can see the point if you are a corporate slave working in something that you really hate, and I can see the point if you want to go travel the world for a couple of years and work is just getting in the way, but otherwise?
That's very true. Although, back then, it was more wishful thinking.
Since then I have adopted a 'work comes second' approach and allowed my business portfolio to wither if it may.

It's also a fact that there are a lot of companies being managed by younger men who don't want a silver haired old b*gger doing their photography and design. They seem to think it smacks of outdated ideas. They may be right. :rofl:

We are planning two x 6-8 weeks excursions this year. My absence may necessitate them using someone else. Call it a self inflicted injury ...but like I said, its time for work to take a back seat.

:thumbsup:

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Life is too short to become a money slave.
I saw this when I was doing IT consultancy, people were too 'scared' to take a holiday as their contract may be cut. As I pointed out to them the fact that they were employed was demonstration that their skill was needed.

No point in having time and money when you are too old to enjoy them.

Gilbert Sandberg

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Kathy,
re: I just said "that is not technically possible"
You are ever so right,
If people want voluntary (unpaid) work, they will have to live with the consequences.
(by the way, I have an uncanny feeling that you are in a turf-war)
Good luck,
Gilbert

Kathy Baker

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Gilbert Sandberg wrote: Kathy,
re: I just said "that is not technically possible"
You are ever so right,
If people want voluntary (unpaid) work, they will have to live with the consequences.
(by the way, I have an uncanny feeling that you are in a turf-war)
Good luck,
Gilbert :rofl:

That would be correct!

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