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blackfox
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watched the opening ceremony of the olypics last night ,superb in most parts apart from the siege heil salute of the german official ,for gods sake not in the east end of london of all places . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-em8PfEFZoI |
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Iain
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Yes, somebody should have slapped him around the head. |
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TomOC
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What an idiot! |
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Gilbert Sandberg
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Being somewhat in the middle (not in the presumed political sense but geographically...): I believe someone has got left and right mixed up... Regards, Gilbert PS please do something useful, like having a cool drink or enjoying the olympics. |
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Eric
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Well, I noticed the scene live on TV and although my first thought was it looked like a Nazi salute, I do feel, as it was a left handed wave that ended in a straight arm, it was just his arm action. May be I am being niave ....but I would prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt. After all ...we aren't North Korea.  |
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jk
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Cant see the video in the link. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt as I havent seen it but..... |
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steve of oxford
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Well there's everyone thinking mankind was freed from tyranny and living under democracy.......the link has been blocked. Oh they are so kind protecting us from seeing what goes on, I mean it can't be good for us to see that kind of thing. Can't have federal Europe thinking we've got the wrong idea about Germany now can we. Democracy?....pah! |
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blackfox
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yep can't have us all thinking theres still nazi sympathisers in urop ,especially krautville ,my god they will be censoring videos on you-tube next  sorry j.k no benefit of the doubt from me .i watched it live and it total shock ,however it was disguised and whatever hand he used to give the salute he should be removed from any post of merit on the olympic committee forthwith ,but of cause it will be buried and all links removed to it video's of the ceremony will be doctored and swept underground . sorry but i have lived with this spectre all my life and i can assure you it does still exist and on a far larger scale than you realise |
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steve of oxford
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So let me get this right...the guy making the salute was an IOC official. The video has been banned by the IOC for?.....'copyright' Copyright to that bigger than us lot must really mean: 'embarrassing content' Begs the question who really is the fascist? salute guy or the IOC for controlling what people see. |
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blackfox
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not the same clip but the musics good ,and the german team might have looked good walking under that salute ,marching in time to it  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4K09d2W3BY |
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Eric
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Walther Troger, the IOC official you are accusing of being a nazi, was also an official at the Munich Games. He is on record as offering himself as a replacement hostage in return for the release of Israeli athletes before they were massacred. We do ourselves no service by perpetuating this line of debate. I have no intention of posting on this thread again, but if you want to continue the speculation about his wave...why not consider this as well....  The Olympic salute is a variant of the Roman salute, with the right arm and hand are stretched and pointing upward, the palm is outward and downward, with the fingers touching. However, the arm is raised higher and at an angle to the right from the shoulder. The greeting is visible on the official posters of the games at Paris 1924. Also famous is the French and Canadian teams entering the Olympic stadium in Berlin, 1936 with their arms raised. In the Leni Riefenstahl film Olympia this scene was captured, and afterwards led to repeated misinterpretations suggesting that the French and Canadian delegations were saluting Hitler. Since the Second World War the greeting has fallen out of use because of the possibility of it being mistaken for the Nazi salute, although no official stance has been taken on the matter by the IOC. |
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jk
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Thanks for posting that clarification and information Eric. The Hitler/Nazi period in Germany is very unfortunate as many symbols and salutes were copied from previous ages and cultures. These are now seen as distasteful without full understanding of their origin or history. The swasti is typical of this. http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/a/swastikahistory.htm |
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Iain
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Thanks for that Eric. Sometime ignorance is dangerous. |
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jk
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Iain wrote: Thanks for that Eric. Sometime ignorance is dangerous.Always dangerous I would say.  |
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richw
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jk wrote:Thanks for posting that clarification and information Eric. They are on a lot of war memorials in th UK that pre-date the 2nd world war, and if you go into the old customs house in Sydney at circular quay (something every tourist should do if only to eat at Cafe Sydney, they are set into the floor. |
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steve of oxford
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jk wrote:Thanks for posting that clarification and information Eric. It's well known the nazis pinched the swastika. In fact the swastika was significant part of Roman culture & art. That said, the Romans were just as evil as nazis, but no one mentions that. Nice historically interesting Romans. Considerate people leaving us all those ruins for baldrik & his wire haired oratorically inarticulate old fart friend to make a living from with those TV programs, and interesting Romans for leaving pots of gold coins for thieving gits to discover 2,000 years later. And while I think of it, the Romans were just as cowardly as the nazis.....Roman method of fighting was to poke their swords from between shields, rather than come out from behind the shield and fight like a man. For me paradox with nazi glorification is seeing Tony Robinson drooling all over an amphitheatre, and failing to mention it was the place where women especially pregnant ones, and children were eaten alive by wolves, mutilated to death etc. Romans, Nazis......one & the same filth under the same swastika banner. |
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blackfox
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interesting p.o.v steve .i happen to be one of those gits (totally legal though ) that found a couple of those pots .funded all my camera gear and made some farmers happy in the process .so i suppose it goes to show theres good and bad in all . AND AS INSTIGATOR OF THIS THREAD I THINK IT HAS NOW RUN ITS COURSE AND SHOULD BE LOCKED DOWN BY THE MODS . |
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jk
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Well as I posted in my original link...... The swastika is an ancient symbol that has been used for over 3,000 years. (That even predates the ancient Egyptian symbol, the Ankh!) Artifacts such as pottery and coins from ancient Troy show that the swastika was a commonly used symbol as far back as 1000 BCE. So the swasti predates the Romans and indeed is found in sanskrit writings in India that are approx 2000BC. I think casting judgement on people in history is a difficult and open to error by the judges. History is frequently not accurately recorded or twisted to suit the victors. Since we seem to have concluded that the the salute was not a Nazi one and Blackfox is happy that the thread is closed I will comply with his request and close/lock this thread. Discussion in another new thread can always be started especially in this Everything Else section. However please be careful about statements as sometimes it is possible to offend other members especially when making sweeping generalisations. |
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